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  1. [verwijderd] 20 december 2008 00:30
    Pfff.... al die tijd heb ik Aex aandelen in de gaten zitten houden. Wachten totdat Aegon weer eens onder de 3 euro zou komen, Randstad eindelijk is richting 10 zou gaan, BAM wat verder zou zakken. Ohohoh...

    En nu?
    Nu pas zie ik wat voor kansen er al die tijd lagen in U.S. aandelen! Ongelofelijk!!!
    Zovele fondsen die de afgelopen maand al 2, 3, 4 x boven hun low zijn gegaan. En met een potentieel niet te vergelijken met Aex-fondsen!

    En dan hoor je iedereen hier zeggen dat de Aex in verhouding met de USA zo veel meer gedaald is?! Als het de afgelopen maanden ergens goedkoop was, dan was het in de U.S.!

    Mocht het de komende tijd opnieuw zakken, dan weet ik wel waar ik mijn kansen ga pakken!
  2. [verwijderd] 20 december 2008 11:24
    quote:

    David7492 schreef:

    En dan hoor je iedereen hier zeggen dat de Aex in verhouding met de USA zo veel meer gedaald is?! Als het de afgelopen maanden ergens goedkoop was, dan was het in de U.S.!

    Mocht het de komende tijd opnieuw zakken, dan weet ik wel waar ik mijn kansen ga pakken!
    In de USA loop je momenteel en in de komende maanden hele grote risico's.
    Er zijn tientallen die om zijn gevallen, om gaan vallen en richting nul gaan om daar heel lang te blijven.
    Maar er worden ook winsten van +50 of +100% & hoger gemaakt in een dag of week..., dat maak je bij de AEX niet mee.
    Het aanbod is enorm, en met juiste keuze's kun je in een week net zoveel verdienen als een half jaar prutsen met de AEX, maar ook enorm hard verliezen als je er niet op tijd uit bent !
    Een strakke strategie & dicipline is noodzakelijk wil je wat blijvend verdienen, zit dicht tegen een daytrading tactiek aan.
    Ben je een "long" denker, dan raad ik je aan weg te blijven uit de states op dit moment.
    Zoek dan je heil in stabielere landen als je perse uit de AEX wilt (can. is b.v. veel stabieler)
    Er gaat begin 2009 nog heel veel negatiefs gebeuren in de USA, ze zijn er daar nog lang, lang niet bovenop.

    greetings.
  3. [verwijderd] 20 december 2008 11:34
    quote:

    aadj schreef:

    heb jij voorbeelden van goede fondsen?
    aadj
    De aandelen die ik volg, Ebay, van 10 naar 15, Yamana Gold, 3.70 naar de 7, Google, 248 naar 320(voor de dapperen onder ons), General Electric van 12.60 naar de 19.80 vorige week.
  4. [verwijderd] 20 december 2008 11:48
    quote:

    robertix schreef:

    [quote=aadj]
    heb jij voorbeelden van goede fondsen?
    aadj
    [/quote]
    De aandelen die ik volg, Ebay, van 10 naar 15, Yamana Gold, 3.70 naar de 7, Google, 248 naar 320(voor de dapperen onder ons), General Electric van 12.60 naar de 19.80 vorige week.

    ebay inc. :
    12 maanden
    Laagste koers 11,17 nu: 14,45
    Niet echt bijzonder, wel een stabiele partij momenteel.

    leuke & varierend van stabiel naar bloedlink:
    North American Palladium: +79% in 40 dagen.
    Goldman Sachs Group Inc.: +55%
    CPO: wat was het? : +40% in 2 dagen, maar wel "link"
    en b.v DRYSHIPS met 50% erop in een dag.

    greetings.

  5. [verwijderd] 20 december 2008 13:48
    17 December 2008

    Gerald Celente: The real economic shock begins in February '09
    Listen to the audio
    Related article: Trends Forecaster Celente: Greece-Style Riots Coming To U.S.
    Related interview: Gerald Celente with Lew Rockwell, 14 December 2008.
    -
    Listen to the interview (6'24) with Gerald Celente by Alex Jones, 17 November 2008.

    Gerald Celente: We think the real breakdown is going to begin in February (2009). That's our forecast. Because in February we're going to realize the shock of what has happened from a dissapointing - dissapointing is putting it lightly - Christmas, holiday retail season.

    Alex Jones: And you think the Obama hope will fade by then aswell?

    Gerald Celente: Yes. For a lot of people. [...] Get ready for a bank holiday. Because we're going to see runs on the banks that [...] they're not going to be able to cover them anymore. [...] Holiday: [...] That means you're not going to get your money out of the bank. [...] We believe that gold is going to go in to the $2000 range. And we're going to see periods of deflation, whereby all those homes out there are going to be worth a lot less than they are now. [...] There is deflationary prices on one end and hyperinflation on the other. As I mentioned: in February. Because once all these retail outlets start closing - as we're already seeing with Circuit City and Starbucks - it's going to be a glut of commercial real estate and that is the next shoe to fall.
  6. [verwijderd] 20 december 2008 14:12
    quote:

    David7492 schreef:

    Pfff.... al die tijd heb ik Aex aandelen in de gaten zitten houden. Wachten totdat Aegon weer eens onder de 3 euro zou komen, Randstad eindelijk is richting 10 zou gaan, BAM wat verder zou zakken. Ohohoh...

    En nu?
    Nu pas zie ik wat voor kansen er al die tijd lagen in U.S. aandelen! Ongelofelijk!!!
    Zovele fondsen die de afgelopen maand al 2, 3, 4 x boven hun low zijn gegaan. En met een potentieel niet te vergelijken met Aex-fondsen!

    En dan hoor je iedereen hier zeggen dat de Aex in verhouding met de USA zo veel meer gedaald is?! Als het de afgelopen maanden ergens goedkoop was, dan was het in de U.S.!

    Mocht het de komende tijd opnieuw zakken, dan weet ik wel waar ik mijn kansen ga pakken!
    En de dollar dan? Kans op verdere verzwakking in komt er als risico bij.
  7. [verwijderd] 20 december 2008 14:16
    S&P 600: That's Gary Shilling's Forecast for 2009, Not an Index
    Posted Dec 19, 2008 12:33pm EST by Aaron Task in Investing, Commodities, Recession
    Related: ^dji, ^gspc, FXI, TLT, EEM, UDN, SPY
    The S&P 500 could fall to as low as 600 in 2009 and "alternative assets" like commodities and currencies will provide no shelter for investors, says Gary Shilling, president of A. Gary Shilling & Co.

    Having been appropriately bearish heading into this year, Shilling sees "few good places to hide" in 2009. Currently, Shilling is long Treasuries and the dollar, but notes the bond market's rally is getting long in the tooth.

    Other than defensive plays like utilities and consumer staples, Shilling is short stocks. His "S&P 600" prediction, a 33% drop from current levels, is based on a view that S&P earnings will be $40 per share next year (vs. the consensus of $83) and the index will trade with a P/E multiple of 15. (Here's the math: $40 EPS x 15 P/E = 600.)

    Shilling is also commodities and remains bearish on emerging markets, most notably China. The theory China, most notably, could "decouple" from the U.S. doesn't hold up to scrutiny, Shilling says, as evinced by the slowdown of China's economy and the fact their middle class isn't large enough to sustain growth internally.

    Against that backdrop, Shilling isn't only bearish on China as an investment, he sees the potential for major social upheaval in the world's most populous nation.
  8. forum rang 7 handyman6 20 december 2008 14:21
    Och...al dat doemdenken:wakker worden in de schemering en dan gaan roepen dat de nacht er aan komt...kan natuurlijk ook de dageraad zijn!
    Gewoon ff op je recessieklokje kijken om te zien hoelaat het is in de downcyclus en dan zie je dat we al aardig zijn opgeschoten..H6
  9. [verwijderd] 20 december 2008 16:59
    “We had the greatest asset bubble in history and now that bubble is bursting. The single biggest piece of the bubble is the U.S. mortgage market and we’re probably about halfway through the unwinding and bursting of the bubble,” Tilson explains. “It may seem like all the carnage out there, we must be almost finished. But there’s still a lot of pain to come in terms of write-downs and losses that have yet to be recognized.”

    In 2007, Tilson teamed up with Amherst Securities, an investment firm that specializes in mortgages. Amherst had done some financial detective work, analyzing the millions of mortgages that were bundled into those mortgage-backed securities that Wall Street was peddling. It found that the sub-primes, loans to the least credit-worthy borrowers, were defaulting. But Amherst also ran the numbers on what were supposed to be higher quality mortgages.

    “It was data we’d never seen before and that’s what made us realize, ‘Holy cow, things are gonna be much worse than anyone anticipates,’” Tilson says.

    The trouble now is that the insanity didn’t end with sub-primes. There were two other kinds of exotic mortgages that became popular, called “Alt-A” and “option ARM.” The option ARMs, in particular, lured borrowers in with low initial interest rates - so-called teaser rates - sometimes as low as one percent. But after two, three or five years those rates “reset.” They went up. And so did the monthly payment. A mortgage of $800 dollars a month could easily jump to $1,500.
  10. [verwijderd] 20 december 2008 17:00
    Now the Alt-A and option ARM loans made back in the heyday are starting to reset, causing the mortgage payments to go up and homeowners to default.

    “The defaults right now are incredibly high. At unprecedented levels. And there’s no evidence that the default rate is tapering off. Those defaults almost inevitably are leading to foreclosures, and homes being auctioned, and home prices continuing to fall,” Tilson explains.

  11. [verwijderd] 20 december 2008 17:01
    Just look at a projection from the investment bank of Credit Suisse: there are the billions of dollars in sub-prime mortgages that reset last year and this year. But what hasn’t hit yet are Alt-A and option ARM resets, when homeowners will pay higher interest rates in the next three years. We’re at the beginning of a second wave.

    “How big is the potential damage from the Alt-A as compared to what we just saw in the sub-primes?” Pelley asks.

    “Well, the sub-prime is, was approaching $1 trillion, the Alt-A is about $1 trillion. And then you have option ARMs on top of that. That’s probably another $500 billion to $600 billion on top of that,” Tilson says.

    Asked how many of these option ARMs he imagines are going to fail, Tilson says, “Well north of 50 percent. My gut would be 70 percent of these option ARMs will default.”
  12. [verwijderd] 20 december 2008 17:02
    “That hasn’t cleared out yet. We haven’t seen the bottom,” Pelley remarks.

    “It’s getting worse,” Egan says. “There are some statistics from the National Association of Realtors, and they track the supply of housing units on the market. And that’s grown from 2.2 million units about three years ago, up to 4.5 million units earlier this year. So you have the massive supply out there of units that need to be sold.”

    “What with the housing supply increasing that much, what does it mean?” Pelley asks.

    “It means that this problem, the economic difficulties, are not going to be resolved in a short period of time. It’s not gonna take six months, it’s not gonna be 12 months; we’re looking at probably about three, four, five years, before this overhang, this supply overhang is worked through,” Egan says.
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