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  1. [verwijderd] 26 november 2006 15:24
    Mensen, een indicatie welke richting het uitgaat kan de koersontwikkeling zijn, niet morgen maar rest vd week..... indien de koers naar de hoge 7 loopt dan zijn er mensen in de know......en wel dat er goedkeuring komt, indien deze update v Cowen pump en dump voor enkele grote investeerders is dan gat de koers de komende dagen...dus niet alleen morgen maar rest vd week dalen...ik verwacht morgen gezien het handelspatroon v ENCY wel een daling.....
    gr leg
  2. [verwijderd] 26 november 2006 18:16
    Voor wat het waard is, enkele interessante opinies van Motley Fool posters:

    To answer your questions from the persective of one layman:
    1) Would sales ramp up quickly enough to avoid the need for another share issuance?

    I don't think so. EU sales will be slow, and country specific. I think most of next year will be gone before we see a firm grip on some numbers coming out of Europe. With that said, I think we're looking at AT LEAST one more round of dilution if not more. I don't see full U.S. approval (but what do I know), so I see sales ramping up much quicker, but for a smaller market then originally thought.

    2) What expectations would there be for EU and US sales for 07 and 08?

    Not really a numbers cruncher (need to work on it), but I think sales will pick up into the 2nd and 3rd quarter of next year, and by the end of the year I would think we'll be close to stemming the outflow. I think the best case scenario with a limited label, and a near perfect execution by EU and U.S. sales teams, we're looking at taking all of next year just to get close to paying the bills. New trials (even with a limited label) would extend profitability by 6-12 months.

    3) How would those sales translate into profits (if any) for ENCY?

    See above

    4) What would be the reasonable range on share price expectations?

    I think the stock price in February had most of the good news (that never materialized) baked into the price. With full U.S. approval, I'm guessing the stock goes back close to the old price, above $10, but I'm not convinced it will go above 12ish even with the best of news. With a limited release, I think we'll see a small gain of a buck or so. With the recent run-up (on no news) I'd say folks are expecting the best and buying early. But what do I know, it's gone up over a buck on no news. I'm gonna guess $9 on a limited release which is probably low.

    5) Is there any reason to hold onto ENCY after an approval? (Is there a reasonable growth expectation for Thelin to make the company worth holding....and is anyone aware of a second trick for this pony?)

    With the way ENCY has played out in the past, I won't be surprised if the market shoots ENCY up on any good news. I think if we were to get an approval, the shares will jump to their full value, and I would venture to say there won't be much reason to hold. I think after they shoot up, we'll see the stock drift back and forth as they try to hammer out the thousands of small details required to distribute globally.

    Just my 2¢ worth.
    Chris

  3. [verwijderd] 26 november 2006 18:20
    En een tweede opinie:

    "1) Would sales ramp up quickly enough to avoid the need for another share issuance?"
    Maybe, but that depends a great deal on the market's reaction (as reflected in share prices) to FDA approval. Without share price appreciation it will be unable to timely draw enough under the recently negotiated equity line of credit to finance its near term cash burn rate. And, ENCY managment has shown itself as everything except nimble afoot in responding to market opportunty in EU. It is either unable or unwilling to adapt its game plan to circumstances that differ from its original planning scenario.

    "2) What expectations would there be for EU and US sales for 07 and 08?"

    Tracleer sales in first nine months 2006 amounted to CHF651.9 million in 35 countries. The CHF651.9 million global sales converts to $539 million, or an annualized rate of $718 million. The drug is not yet available in all 10 "new" EU countries, but likely is available in all of the original EC 15. Since the global market includes a minimum of 10 non-EU countries and the U.S. accounts for 60% ($431 mil.) of the total ANNUL market according to some sources, the EU share of the 2006 Tracleer market might fall in the neighborhood of 37.5% or roughly $270 million. (Earlier this year ENCY estimated the 2006 EU Tracleer market at $300 million.)

    EU approved Thelin Aug.10 and issued the EU label Oct. 13. Now, 4 1/2 months after approval, Thelin is available for sale only in UK. Introduction in Germany is planned before yearend. As Given and company don't seem able to muster even turtle speed in EU market development, I don't expect Thelin sales to reach more EU countries in 2007 than UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, and Belgium. A 40% market penetration there would imply sales of around $7.25 mil a month. Assuming first year sales build to that level by yearend and average 20% for the year overall, EU Thelin sales would generate $43.5 million in 2007. 25% of the U.S. market would imply revenues of $108 million. U.S. and UK sales together might total $151.5 million.

    "3) How would those sales translate into profits (if any) for ENCY?"

    ENCY has recently burned cash at the rate of about $25 million per quarter. Projecting a 5% increase in the burn rate for inflation and added marketing expenses, $151 million of Thelin revenues would cover those costs with $46 million to spare. Argobatran revenues would lift profits above $52 million.

    "4) What would be the reasonable range on share price expectations?"

    Assuming 10% equity dilution through the equity credit line agreed in Sept., the scenario outlined in 3) above would yield ** 2007 ** earnings of $0.80 share. Applying a price earnings multiple of 45 yields a share price of $35.90. Earnings would increase ** 2.3 ** fold in 2008 to $1.84 share if ENCY boosted US market penetration to 40%, averaged 40% penetration in the EU7, extended EU sales to enough other EU countries to cover any cost increases. The same P/E multiple of 45 would imply a $82 share price while a P/E multiple of 60 would imply $110 share.

    On the other hand, another FDA "approvable" letter or an FDA rejection would leave ENCY unable to draw enough financing from its equity credit line to maintain its current level of operations. It might be compelled to put a hold on further clinical development of its pipeline, dismiss its US sales force and put on a full court press to develop EU sales to survive. Or, it might be available for acquisition by another firm at a fire sale price.

    "5) Is there any reason to hold onto ENCY after an approval? (Is there a reasonable growth expectation for Thelin to make the company worth holding....and is anyone aware of a second trick for this pony?)"

    With a US approval, Thelin sales could grow for several years. Argobatran revenues are also growing. While there may be nothing nearing the end of the develoopment pipeline right now, ENCY is working on one or more compounds targeting asthma which might reach the market in a few years. ENCY may be worth holding long enough following an FDA approval to see whether or not it is able to compete with Tracleer in EU. On the other hand, selling on a price point following an FDA approval and reaquisition at a lower price point later may prove a good strategy.

  4. forum rang 6 wiegveld 26 november 2006 20:28
    Op zich gaat het niet om levensverlenging van 3 maanden!
    Vraag is of het middel Provenge een statistische
    significant verschil in levensverlenging oplevert met een placebo EN de kwaliteit van het leven
    verbetert.Pas als aan die twee voorwaarden voldaan
    is maakt het middel een kans.

    In Nederland geldt dan nog dat de Overheid het middel moet willen vergoeden. (Opname GVS of regeling dure geneesmiddelen)
  5. [verwijderd] 26 november 2006 20:30
    quote:

    scholle schreef:

    En een tweede opinie:

    "1) Would sales ramp up quickly enough to avoid the need for another share issuance?"
    Maybe, but that depends a great deal on the market's reaction (as reflected in share prices) to FDA approval. Without share price appreciation it will be unable to timely draw enough under the recently negotiated equity line of credit to finance its near term cash burn rate. And, ENCY managment has shown itself as everything except nimble afoot in responding to market opportunty in EU. It is either unable or unwilling to adapt its game plan to circumstances that differ from its original planning scenario.

    "2) What expectations would there be for EU and US sales for 07 and 08?"

    Tracleer sales in first nine months 2006 amounted to CHF651.9 million in 35 countries. The CHF651.9 million global sales converts to $539 million, or an annualized rate of $718 million. The drug is not yet available in all 10 "new" EU countries, but likely is available in all of the original EC 15. Since the global market includes a minimum of 10 non-EU countries and the U.S. accounts for 60% ($431 mil.) of the total ANNUL market according to some sources, the EU share of the 2006 Tracleer market might fall in the neighborhood of 37.5% or roughly $270 million. (Earlier this year ENCY estimated the 2006 EU Tracleer market at $300 million.)

    EU approved Thelin Aug.10 and issued the EU label Oct. 13. Now, 4 1/2 months after approval, Thelin is available for sale only in UK. Introduction in Germany is planned before yearend. As Given and company don't seem able to muster even turtle speed in EU market development, I don't expect Thelin sales to reach more EU countries in 2007 than UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, and Belgium. A 40% market penetration there would imply sales of around $7.25 mil a month. Assuming first year sales build to that level by yearend and average 20% for the year overall, EU Thelin sales would generate $43.5 million in 2007. 25% of the U.S. market would imply revenues of $108 million. U.S. and UK sales together might total $151.5 million.

    "3) How would those sales translate into profits (if any) for ENCY?"

    ENCY has recently burned cash at the rate of about $25 million per quarter. Projecting a 5% increase in the burn rate for inflation and added marketing expenses, $151 million of Thelin revenues would cover those costs with $46 million to spare. Argobatran revenues would lift profits above $52 million.

    "4) What would be the reasonable range on share price expectations?"

    Assuming 10% equity dilution through the equity credit line agreed in Sept., the scenario outlined in 3) above would yield ** 2007 ** earnings of $0.80 share. Applying a price earnings multiple of 45 yields a share price of $35.90. Earnings would increase ** 2.3 ** fold in 2008 to $1.84 share if ENCY boosted US market penetration to 40%, averaged 40% penetration in the EU7, extended EU sales to enough other EU countries to cover any cost increases. The same P/E multiple of 45 would imply a $82 share price while a P/E multiple of 60 would imply $110 share.

    On the other hand, another FDA "approvable" letter or an FDA rejection would leave ENCY unable to draw enough financing from its equity credit line to maintain its current level of operations. It might be compelled to put a hold on further clinical development of its pipeline, dismiss its US sales force and put on a full court press to develop EU sales to survive. Or, it might be available for acquisition by another firm at a fire sale price.

    "5) Is there any reason to hold onto ENCY after an approval? (Is there a reasonable growth expectation for Thelin to make the company worth holding....and is anyone aware of a second trick for this pony?)"

    With a US approval, Thelin sales could grow for several years. Argobatran revenues are also growing. While there may be nothing nearing the end of the develoopment pipeline right now, ENCY is working on one or more compounds targeting asthma which might reach the market in a few years. ENCY may be worth holding long enough following an FDA approval to see whether or not it is able to compete with Tracleer in EU. On the other hand, selling on a price point following an FDA approval and reaquisition at a lower price point later may prove a good strategy.

    Kan me dus beter in deze 2e opinie verplaatsen; verwachtte SP eind 2007 rond de 35$ op basis van sales EU en US!! dus extrapolatie naar SP op korte termijn 1e kwartaal2007..tussen de 15-20$; EN......... ergens denk ik toch dat er een BUY-OUT komt; in ieder geval een BID....als GIVEN niet verkoopt dan reageert de prijs voor het aandeel in ieder geval met naar ik hoop een opwaartse beweging waardoor we al rond de zomer in de 25 a 30$ regionen komen::::::: MAAR dit alles dus vorafgegaan door FDA approval!!!! dec2006/jan2007!!!!!!!
    gr leg
  6. [verwijderd] 27 november 2006 13:12
    LET OP: behalve emissie; ook nog filing MYOG FDA>>nu dus GILD zou rond deze tijd plaatsvinden> kan v invloed zijn op de koers van ENCY!!(naar beneden!)
  7. [verwijderd] 27 november 2006 15:10
    quote:

    svenhedin schreef:

    premarket over de $7 !!
    Leg zit te slapen of zich blind te staren op de gouden start van INNIE.
    Let je wel even op, ouwe goudvink ?

    Jay
    P.S. ENCY blijft gevaarlijk, niet kopen !!!
  8. [verwijderd] 27 november 2006 17:35
    quote:

    JaySS schreef:

    [quote=svenhedin]
    premarket over de $7 !!
    [/quote]

    Leg zit te slapen of zich blind te staren op de gouden start van INNIE.
    Let je wel even op, ouwe goudvink ?

    Jay
    P.S. ENCY blijft gevaarlijk, niet kopen !!!
    Hallo,
    net terug van het werk...... what's up?? zie dat we nog niet aan het dalen zijn???? wil toch ff bijkopen zoals gezegd op het andere draadje INSM is a hold en ENCY een buy..... wel zo laag mogelijk, zou echt zeer vreemd zijn indien we niet onder slot v gisteren komen, betekent erg veel koopdruk...en dat al pre-approval???
    gr leg
    denk dus vandaag een down dag gezien sentiment beurs maar ook tradingspatroon ENCY
  9. [verwijderd] 27 november 2006 20:58
    quote:

    leguaan3 schreef:

    [quote=JaySS]
    [quote=svenhedin]
    premarket over de $7 !!
    [/quote]

    Leg zit te slapen of zich blind te staren op de gouden start van INNIE.
    Let je wel even op, ouwe goudvink ?

    Jay
    P.S. ENCY blijft gevaarlijk, niet kopen !!!
    [/quote]

    Hallo,
    net terug van het werk...... what's up?? zie dat we nog niet aan het dalen zijn???? wil toch ff bijkopen zoals gezegd op het andere draadje INSM is a hold en ENCY een buy..... wel zo laag mogelijk, zou echt zeer vreemd zijn indien we niet onder slot v gisteren komen, betekent erg veel koopdruk...en dat al pre-approval???
    gr leg
    denk dus vandaag een down dag gezien sentiment beurs maar ook tradingspatroon ENCY
    De shorts?? of iemand in the know?? laatste stuiptrekkingen shorts..... geloof niet dat ie veel lager gaat maar wacht toch ff af..... de klok tikt..... en dat weten de shorts ook zou me niets verbazen als we toch tegen slot gisteren sluiten??, nagenoeg hele dag in het groen........ of accumulatie???( bij Inni per slot v rekening nagenoeg het hele jaar accumulatie!! hehehehe)
  10. [verwijderd] 27 november 2006 21:37
    Zoals gedacht....heb vd gelegenheid gebruikt gemaakt en nog eens 10k gekocht helaas net niet day-low , op 6,65 mijn gewenste totaal van 120k heb ik nu bij elkaar en nu dus afwachten..... wordt het klasse1 of niet.....
    gr leg
  11. [verwijderd] 28 november 2006 16:19
    WTF?????
    hehehehehehehehehe
    heb opeens 140k in porto...... 20k order geplaatst op 6,11
    anticipeerde er al op....zoals al eerder opgeschreven, ik verwachtte dit nm al een beetje, wellicht stop-loss nog laatste stuip shorts....hangt af van waar we sluiten....heb er nu wel veel meer dan ik wilde...sluiten rond de 6,31 geeft een status quo.... nog steeds fifty-fifty goedkeuring...man o man ben benieuwd of dat dit het GTCB...ik flik je.... is van de grote jongens weet je nog????
    gr leg
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