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  1. [verwijderd] 21 juli 2008 01:03
    quote:

    Illuminati schreef:

    olie schurkt rond 130, dollaar meer dan vrijdag. Misschien dat RD eens wat stijgt ?
    Over kw 7 gesproken,ook nog een vd rijkste bedrijven ter wereld!!
  2. @iPlof 21 juli 2008 01:12
    quote:

    Illuminati schreef:

    boeiend, hoeveel tech zit er in de AEX? niente eigenlijk
    Euh ASML en TT. Maar ja die zijn beiden al flink gezakt.
  3. [verwijderd] 21 juli 2008 01:12
    voor bij het ontbijt van alle mensen die een hekel aan shorts hebben of nu gaan krijgen:

    Never Have So Many Short Sellers Made So Much Money With Stocks
    2008-07-20 23:02:25.120 (New York)

    By Alexis Xydias
    July 21 (Bloomberg) -- Investors worldwide are betting more
    than $1 trillion on a collapse in stock prices.
    Managers from William Ackman to Jim Rogers made a total of
    at least $1.4 billion in July with wagers against U.S. mortgage
    financiers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, according to data compiled
    by Bloomberg. Harbinger Capital Partners staked $665 million that
    U.K. mortgage lender HBOS Plc would drop and Sao Paulo-based
    hedge-fund manager Francisco Meirelles de Andrade's short selling
    of Cia. Vale do Rio Doce is also paying off.
    More than $1.4 trillion of equities worldwide are now on
    loan, about a third higher than at the start of 2007, data
    compiled by Spitalfields Advisors, the London-based firm
    specializing in securities lending, show. Almost all of that is
    being used to speculate that shares will fall, according to James
    Angel, a finance professor at Georgetown University who studies
    short selling. The global economic slowdown, $447 billion in bank
    losses and an explosion of funds that can profit from stock
    declines spurred the increase in short selling, helping send 22
    of 23 countries in the MSCI World Index into bear markets.
    ``It's a huge amount of money,'' said Peter Hahn, a London-
    based research fellow for Cass Business School and a former
    managing director at Citigroup Inc. ``Shorts have come a long
    way. They are getting into the mainstream, and long holders need
    to understand the shorts are not evil.''

    $11 Trillion

    While U.S. and U.K. regulators tighten rules on short
    sellers amid concern they're accelerating more than $11 trillion
    in global stock losses this year, countries from Indonesia to
    India are opening up to the practice, which involves borrowing
    stock to sell it on the expectation it can be purchased at a
    lower price before paying back the loan.
    Assets at so-called 130/30 and 120/20 funds, or those that
    are allowed to both hold stocks and short them, may climb to $2
    trillion by 2010 from $140 billion in 2007, according to a study
    last year by Westborough, Massachusetts-based Tabb Group.
    Spitalfields estimates these funds may borrow an additional $600
    billion by 2010.
    Spitalfields was founded by Mark Faulkner and Bill Cuthbert
    in 2004 after careers in securities lending and investment
    banking at firms including New York-based Goldman Sachs Group
    Inc. and Frankfurt-based Deutsche Bank AG, respectively.
    Short selling on the New York Stock Exchange rose to 4.6
    percent of total shares last month, the highest since at least
    1931, according to data compiled by Bespoke Investment Group LLC,
    the Harrison, New York-based firm that manages money for wealthy
    investors and provides financial research to institutions.

    Wipe Out Shareholders

    Short selling of Washington-based Fannie Mae and McLean,
    Virginia-based Freddie Mac, which own or guarantee about half of
    the $12 trillion of U.S. mortgages, surged before the shares
    plunged this month on concern they will require a bailout that
    would wipe out shareholders.
    Fannie Mae tumbled 64 percent from the end of June, when so-
    called short interest stood at 138.7 million shares, through July
    15, according to data compiled by Bloomberg and the NYSE. Freddie
    Mac sank 68 percent from the end of June through July 15 after
    short interest reached almost 83 million on June 30, the highest
    since at least 1991.
    Even after a 90 percent rebound by Fannie Mae and a 75
    percent surge by Freddie Mac in the final three days of trading
    last week, that would have left the shorts with a combined
    profit, excluding costs, of at least $1.4 billion from June 30
    through July 15, the data show.

    Survival of the Fittest

    Ackman, 42, who oversees $6 billion at Pershing Square
    Capital Management LP in New York, said on July 15 he had short
    positions in both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Rogers, 65, said on
    July 14 that he hadn't covered his short positions in Fannie Mae
    and would increase his bet if the shares were to rally.
    ``Short sellers are a very important part of the ecosystem
    of our financial markets,'' said Angel, a professor at
    Georgetown's McDonough School of Business in Washington. ``The
    same way that lions go after a herd, they go after the weaker
    animals. The shorts will pick on a company where there's a
    legitimate controversy over its valuation.''
    European short sellers have also profited during the sell-
    off. The Euro Stoxx 50 Short Index rose 29 percent in the first
    half of 2008, the best performance since at least 1992. The Euro
    Stoxx 50 tumbled 24 percent in the period, its worst ever start
    to a year.

    `Market for Speculators'

    A slump in British banks helped spur the U.K. Financial
    Services Authority to impose rules on June 20 requiring firms to
    disclose short positions in companies that sell shares in rights
    offerings, when those positions exceed 0.25 percent of the
    company's stock. The FSA cited short bets on June 13 for ``severe
    volatility in the shares of companies conducting rights issues.''
    Harbinger Capital, the New York-based hedge fund run by
    Philip Falcone, the former head of high-yield trading at Barclays
    Capital, disclosed a short position of 3.29 percent in HBOS as of
    June 20. Edinburgh-based HBOS has slumped 62 percent this year.
    ``The market is becoming a market for speculators rather
    than a market for investors,'' said Roger Lawson, London-based
    director at the U.K. Shareholders' Association. ``These guys are
    making fat profits out of these market maneuvers. It should be
    restricted to a very limited level of market cap, otherwise it
    becomes market manipulation.''
    The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission last week
    limited so-called naked short sales of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac
    and brokerages. In such a strategy, speculators sell shares they
    haven't secured first. The decision comes amid an investigation
    of whether trading abuses contributed to the collapse of Bear
    Stearns Cos. in March.

    `Send a Message'

    James Chanos, president of Kynikos Associates Ltd., says the
    new rules won't deter most short sellers from making legitimate
    bets against companies.
    ``The SEC is trying to send a message -- I am again not
    quite sure what the message is,'' Chanos, a short seller and one
    of the first investors to raise questions about Enron Corp.'s
    accounting, said on Bloomberg Television from London. ``I am just
    not sure that this was an issue at all for the equity prices of
    these companies.''
    The SEC's move ``squeezed'' some short sellers, forcing them
    to close positions they shorted earlier by buying the shares,
    Bespoke data show. Among Standard & Poor's 1500 companies, those
    with the highest short interest gained the most, rising 15.1
    percent on July 16 and July 17, according to the firm's data.
    So-called short covering also helped financial stocks in the
    S&P 500 surge 12 percent on July 16, the biggest-ever gain.
    While regulators in the U.K. and U.S. move to limit some
    types of shorting, the practice is increasing elsewhere. India's
    capital market
  4. [verwijderd] 21 juli 2008 01:13
    ` India's
    capital markets watchdog said in December it would lift a six-
    year ban on short selling. Indonesia followed last month,
    allowing the practice for the first time.

    Shorting Brazil

    In Brazil, equities on loan in June jumped 22 percent from a
    month earlier to a record $23.3 billion, according to the
    Brazilian Clearing and Depository Corp. Shorting increased after
    the Bovespa Index climbed to an all-time high on May 20.
    Francisco Meirelles de Andrade, a hedge-fund manager at Nest
    Investimentos Ltda., is shorting Rio de Janeiro-based Vale, the
    world's biggest iron-ore producer, which tumbled 6.5 percent last
    week after its share sale raised less than some analysts
    expected. His Nest Fund Ltd. Class Long Short Equities fund
    returned 30 percent in the 12 months through April.
    ``Short selling helps markets become more efficient,'' said
    Dallas-based David Tice, 53, founder and manager of the Prudent
    Bear Fund. ``Short selling is here to stay.''

  5. [verwijderd] 21 juli 2008 07:14
    Paulson: herstel economie VS duurt maanden
    WASHINGTON (ANP) - De Amerikaanse economie heeft nog maanden
    nodig om te herstellen van de groeivertraging die is veroorzaakt
    door de hypotheek- en kredietcrisis en de hoge energieprijzen.
    Dat zei de Amerikaanse minister van Financiën, Henry Paulson,
    zondag in het televisieprogramma Face the Nation.

    ,,We gaan door een uitdagende tijd met onze economie. We
    zullen voor een tijdje een periode van tragere groei doormaken.
    Ik denk dat het maanden gaat duren voordat we hierdoor heen
    zijn'', aldus Paulson.

    ((Vincent Kroft, email economie(at)anp.nl, +31 20 504 5999))
  6. [verwijderd] 21 juli 2008 08:32
    Niet echt recessie maar grondstoffeninflatie is wel de winsten aanh het uithollen
    Als je ziet dat ook bedrijven als Coca cola 20% minder winst hebben , maar waarschijnlijk geen 20% lagere omzet (?)hebben, zal dat waarschijnlijk te wijten zijn aan hogere kosten?

    Dus deze grondstoffeninflatie tasten de winsten aan van de hele economie uiteindelijk en rechtvaardigt lagere K/W: maar met hoeveel?

    quote:

    op en top schreef:

    Veel mensen zijn te jong denk ik.
    Men roept recessie en doemdenken.
    K-W van 7 ..
    De AEX doet net 9

    Recessie is met name erg als er grote werkeloosheid heest, als de overheid te krap geld heeft moet gaan lenen. Als de werkenden meer loon willen omdat alles onbetaalbaar aan het worden is.
    Als DSB zegt we zetten 100 man extra in op de kredietafdeling om te screenen.
    Als Unilever kleinere verpakkingen gaat maken.

    Wat we nu hebben is geen recessie in die zin.
    We hebben grondstoffen inflatie, dat is een beweging die is doorgeschoten. Dat knapt ook wel weer.

    Dat de banken geen geld hebben komt niet door te weinig activiteiten maar juist doordat ze teveel zaken zijn gaan doen , de leverage is niet goed.
    En ze namen zaken aan waar ze de risico s niet kenden. Gewoon gokken noemen wij dat.

    Er is geld zat in de wereld.Het zit alleen nu niet bij de banken. Bel Soros of Buffet of Gates.

    Maar K-w van 7 en dat bij een beurs waar niet 1 fonds staat wat verlies maakt die is echt onervaren. Ik hoop voor hem dat hij nooit een echte recessie zal meemaken

    grt
  7. [verwijderd] 21 juli 2008 08:36
    Goeiemorgen, grote kans dat de wokkels uitgekotst gaan worden vandaag. Daar zal Elsevier ook een gevoelige tik van mee krijgen. Het aantal bedrijven die de AEX nog een echte boost kunnen geven neemt dus in rap tempo af.

    Als er al een upswing zit aan te komen zal dat komen door een herstelletje in de financials en wellicht RD. AM hoeven we ook niet veel van te verwachten denk ik.
  8. Brievenbus 21 juli 2008 08:46
    quote:

    JennetK schreef:

    Goeiemorgen, grote kans dat de wokkels uitgekotst gaan worden vandaag. Daar zal Elsevier ook een gevoelige tik van mee krijgen. Het aantal bedrijven die de AEX nog een echte boost kunnen geven neemt dus in rap tempo af.

    Als er al een upswing zit aan te komen zal dat komen door een herstelletje in de financials en wellicht RD. AM hoeven we ook niet veel van te verwachten denk ik.
    Hum, uit het boekje valt nog niet vel op te maken; mochten ze idd uitgekotst worden dan zal ik ze zeker op proberen te pikken, winstverwachting en outlook blijven gelijk, en ze staan al laag....
  9. Brievenbus 21 juli 2008 09:07
    En alles weer rood; A'dam wil zoo graag het verschil met de rest vergroten?
    Of zou dat stukje over de enorme short-posities weer wat mnsen op kwade ideetjes gebracht hebben? :-)
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