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  1. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 17:26

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    quote:

    voda schreef:

    [quote=sam en moos]
    [quote=AtPatat]
    Je zult die zooi gekregen hebben bij de overname van ABNAMRO.

    Dit gaat bordjes nationalisatie.

    [/quote]

    Nationalisatie, daar geloof ik niks van. Je moet het stuk van Hester hierboven goed lezen. Bovendien valt de omzet van een kleine 11 miljoen aandelen vandaag mij nog mee. Zitten ook veel paniekverkopen en stoplosses tussen.
    [/quote]
    ????

    Fonds: aand. Royal Bank Scotland Plc.
    Beurs: London Stock Exchange

    Laatste Volume Tijd
    Laatste £ 0,121 3.009 16:22:39
    Verschil £ -0,226 -65,1297 %
    Bied ---
    Laat ---
    Hoogste £ 0,349 08:15:03
    Laagste £ 0,10 14:47:38
    Cum. volume --- 639.042.854
    Indicatieve opening ---
    Open £ 0,345 08:15:03
    Vorig slot £ 0,347 16-01-2009
    Gemiddelde dagomzet --- 129.293.633

    Hier in amsterdam staan ze ook..0,14 nu.
  2. forum rang 10 voda 19 januari 2009 17:28

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    Oké, vandaar die 11 miljoen stuks. Mijn excuses.

    Fonds: aand. Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC
    Beurs: Euronext Amsterdam

    Laatste Volume Tijd
    Laatste 0,15 14.985 17:27:24
    Verschil -0,30 -66,6667 %
    Bied 0,14 11.500 17:27:24
    Laat 0,15 179.080 17:27:24
    Hoogste 0,39 09:05:00
    Laagste 0,12 15:40:12
    Cum. volume --- 10.891.854
    Indicatieve opening ---
    Open 0,39 09:05:00
    Vorig slot 0,45 16-01-2009
    Gemiddelde dagomzet --- 267.152
  3. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 17:28

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    Nationalisatie, daar geloof ik niks van. Je moet het stuk van Hester hierboven goed lezen. Bovendien valt de omzet van een kleine 11 miljoen aandelen vandaag mij nog mee. Zitten ook veel paniekverkopen en stoplosses tussen.
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    ????

    Fonds: aand. Royal Bank Scotland Plc.
    Beurs: London Stock Exchange


    Cum. volume --- 639.042.854

    Gemiddelde dagomzet --- 129.293.633

    Voda je hebt gelijk vwn de omzet, sorry, maar ik bedoelde de omzet hier in Nederland. De rest is denk wel waar.
  6. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 17:39

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    ik hoop het durfinvest,hen ze voor 0,62,ze stonde n eerst boven fortis e n nu ???????////
    maar vandaag 2 x short en aan het einde long ivm met obama,ook overnight,,,lol
  7. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 17:45

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    ik hoop het durfinvest,hen ze voor 0,62,ze stonde n eerst boven fortis e n nu ???????////
    maar vandaag 2 x short en aan het einde long ivm met obama,ook overnight,,,lol
    Zit in aan 0,13 dus al mooie winst op papier.....maar verwacht straks of morgen een geruststellende mededeling en verder terug omhoog door shorts die terugkopen.
  8. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 17:45

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    helaas waren die aandeeltje voor mn moeder ,schaam me kapot:-)
    doe zelf niet in aandelen.,maar leg dat maar ff uit -66 procent,zei al bis am ende....
  10. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 17:57

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    helaas waren die aandeeltje voor mn moeder ,schaam me kapot:-)
    doe zelf niet in aandelen.,maar leg dat maar ff uit -66 procent,zei al bis am ende....
    Denk dat ie morgen wel iets aan zal trekken, lijkt te zwaar overdreven dit, 0,20 moet wel kunnen denk ik.....de shorts hebben hem extreem naar onder gedrukt.
  14. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 18:07

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    iets aantrekken? gvd 0,62 erin ,fortis op 0,62 en nu???
    blijkbaar is het in engeland nog erger,maar na de yanks en de english komen wij,,maar of die nog weer naar de 1 eurie3 komt zoals ze denken bij de andere banken,,,,,,,,,,,ren snel naar de koelkast..
  15. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 18:10

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    UK Banks Welcome Govt Plan, Analysts Want Detail
    DJ UPDATE: UK Banks Welcome Govt Plan, Analysts Want Detail


    (Adds latest share movements.)


    By Victoria Howley
    Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

    LONDON (Dow Jones)--U.K. banking stocks fell sharply Monday, despite initial gains, after the government outlined more measures aimed at helping the beleaguered sector.

    BGC Partners said it was hard to tell whether the sell-off was due to a negative response to the government plan, or market cynicism accompanying news that Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC (RBS) may notch up the U.K.´s biggest ever corporate loss.

    RBS said earlier that tough market conditions in the fourth quarter and mounting impairment charges could push it to a 2008 full-year net loss of up to GBP28 billion.

    The initial reception of the government plan was positive, although analysts said lenders were unlikely to sign up until the details and cost implications had been hammered out.

    In early trading, Barclays PLC´s (BCS) shares rose nearly 19%; Lloyds Banking Group (LYG) was up by around 4%; HSBC Holdings PLC (HBC) stock was more or less level and RBS shares had declined by around 4%.

    That had all changed by 1515 GMT, when RBS shares had fallen 66% to 12 pence; Barclays was down 8.7% at 89 pence; Lloyds had fallen 27% to 72 pence and HSBC was down 13.2% at 465 pence.

    "At present it seems that market observers and the equity market (are) just not happy to accept that the banks are yet on the road to recovery - bailout or no bailout," BGC Partners said.

    Banks themselves welcomed the government´s plan.

    "We will now study these proposals in detail and continue our ongoing, constructive dialogue with the government about them," Eric Daniels, Lloyds chief executive said in a statement.

    Barclays said the government had constructed "practical and extensive measures to help the U.K. economy, including important initiatives in the areas of capital ratios, funding and asset protection.

    HSBC said it will continue to work constructively with the authorities to ensure "that these initiatives are taken forward in a way that is beneficial for the economy."

    RBS described the package as both wide-ranging and, prospectively, supportive and well targeted.

    "We fully understand the role banks need to play in return, in providing support for our customers, and will be doing just that," RBS Chief Executive Stephen Hester said in a statement

    Analysts said the plan was to be welcomed as well, although some thought that it lacked clarity in key areas.

    "The news is broadly positive for the sector, but we need more detail before we can start predicting how banks will participate. That depends on how the costs of the scheme weigh up against the benefits," said Danny Clarke of Shore Capital.

    The government set out a broad range of measures earlier Monday to help the banking sector and to make sure credit flows through to the economy. It followed an earlier rescue plan, which was announced in October and which proved insufficient to arrest concerns about the health of U.K. financial institutions.

    The asset protection scheme means that banks and building societies can buy insurance from the government against future defaults on bad loans. Banks who buy the insurance would also have to make legally binding pledges to lend more to consumers and businesses.

    Assets eligible for coverage will include portfolios of commercial and residential mortgages, structured credit assets and certain corporate and leveraged loans.

    Merrill Lynch analysts said in a research note that the scheme looks similar to agreements between the U.S. Treasury and some of the large U.S. banks.

    "The big benefit to the banks of such a scheme (like the U.S.) is that the risk weighting on the assets insured drops sharply. In the U.S., the risk weighting fell to around 20%, thus boosting capital ratios," Merrill said.


    -By Victoria Howley, Dow Jones Newswires; 44 20 7842 9261; victoria.howley@dowjones.com


    Click here to go to Dow Jones NewsPlus, a web front page of today´s most important business and market news, analysis and commentary: www.djnewsplus.com/access/al?rnd=NsIt... You can use this link on the day this article is published and the following day.



    (END) Dow Jones Newswires

    January 19, 2009 10:30 ET (15:30 GMT)

    Copyright (c) 2009 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
  16. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 18:13

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    London Stks End Down, U.K. Banks Slammed
    DJ MARKET COMMENT: London Stks End Down, U.K. Banks Slammed


    By Sarah Turner


    LONDON (Dow Jones)--The U.K. banking sector slumped on Monday, with shares of Royal Bank of Scotland falling 63%, as a government plan to support the financial sector failed to reassure sector investors.


    Shares of Royal Bank of Scotland fell 63.4% to 13 pence in London´s top index.


    On Monday the lender said that it could report a massive loss of up to 28 billion pounds ($41.6 billion) in 2008 while also announcing that it has restructured its recent rescue package, giving the government an even bigger stake.


    The U.K. government plan to take a bigger stake in RBS came amid part of a package of broad measures to stabilize the U.K. financial sector, including a plan that will allow banks to buy insurance against future credit losses on portfolios of risky assets.


    Although investors initially welcomed the measures, doubts soon set in.


    "I´m not convinced that it´s the kind of policy that´s actually going to achieve its stated aim of boosting lending because what the government is doing is guaranteeing mortgage debt which is a positive thing but it´s not really forcing banks to take the junk off the balance sheet," said Peter Dixon, strategist at Commerzbank.


    "I think that what we´ve done today is postpone the inevitable and I think if I was an investor in banking stocks I would be very skeptical that this is the end of the line for government intervention," said Dixon.


    He also pointed out that the government scheme to support the mortgage market doesn´t come into effect until April and said: "There´s an awful lot of bad news that can happen between now and then."


    Elsewhere in the sector, shares of newly-created Lloyds Banking Group (LYG) plunged 38.3%. The lender also updated on trading, saying that Lloyds TSB traded satisfactorily since November and that there hasn´t been a significant change in the trading position of HBOS. Lloyds TSB and HBOS agreed to merge last year.


    "Given that mortgage and business banking impairments were horrendous in the third quarter and the trend was getting much worse in October and November, we´re not sure that is going to satisfy the market," said analysts at Davy Stockbrokers.


    Barclays (BCS) gave up early gains to trade down 5.8%.


    Shares in the firm plunged 25% on Friday, the day a short-selling ban on financial stocks was lifted. Barclays said late Friday that it didn´t know why its shares dropped and also stated that profit for 2008 will likely exceed most analyst forecasts.


    Asia-focused banks trading in London weren´t immune from losses, with HSBC Holdings (HBC) down 12.9% and Standard Chartered down 11.3%.


    FTSE 100 lower


    Overall, the U.K. FTSE 100 index fell 0.5% to 4,125.81. Other European shares also fell. U.S. shares closed higher on Friday ahead of Martin Luther King Jr. day.


    Away from banks shares of building materials supplier Wolseley fell 7.3.


    The Sunday Telegraph newspaper reported that the firm is in talks to raise between 200 million pounds and 400 million pounds in equity.


    "Any equity issue would be dilutive for existing equity holders. Fresh equity would probably be issued at a chunky discount to the current share value," said analysts at Davy Stockbrokers.


    Still, Pearson (PSO) shares advanced 4.8%.


    The media group said it expects to report headline earnings growth of around 20% for 2008, which would be ahead of consensus expectations. It said trading conditions were more difficult in some markets for the fourth quarter, but all businesses "achieved or exceeded" 2008 guidance.


    Pearson also said the strength of the U.S. dollar against sterling and a lower tax rate helped.


    Services Desk; Dow Jones Newswires; +44-20-7842-9319/9274


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    (END) Dow Jones Newswires

    January 19, 2009 12:10 ET (17:10 GMT)

    Copyright (c) 2009 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
  17. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 19:00

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    quote:

    junkbond schreef:

    Ingestap op .14 puur gokken :)
    Is ook zo....normaal gesproken zal ie de 0,20 wel aantikken morgen, dit sloeg te ver door naar onder.
  19. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 19:10

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    vis20 schreef:

    [quote=+]
    In london freeze op 23p at the moment,heb laatst een ritje 0,45 naar 0,58 gemaakt.
    Had ook iets meer kunnen zijn,maar nu weer terug op rond de 0,30.

    Toch maar weer kopen rond de 0,25 dit keer.

    xxx
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    En heb je gekocht of wacht je nog af??
    10k op 21-20k op 19-30k op12 en nu maar zien waar hij de komende dagen naar toe gaaat.

    xxx
  20. [verwijderd] 19 januari 2009 19:15

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    + schreef:

    [quote=vis20]
    [quote=+]
    In london freeze op 23p at the moment,heb laatst een ritje 0,45 naar 0,58 gemaakt.
    Had ook iets meer kunnen zijn,maar nu weer terug op rond de 0,30.

    Toch maar weer kopen rond de 0,25 dit keer.

    xxx
    [/quote]

    En heb je gekocht of wacht je nog af??
    [/quote]

    10k op 21-20k op 19-30k op12 en nu maar zien waar hij de komende dagen naar toe gaaat.

    xxx
    Wees maar blij dat je nog bijgekocht heb op 0,12 dan, kun je mischien nog rechttrekken, slim gedaan...denk dat 0,20 de max zal zijn morgen.
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