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1. [verwijderd] 7 augustus 2011 23:03

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   Wat ze al eerder geprobeerd hebben met Griekenland, Ierland, Portugal dat gaan ze nu wweer doen.
   Heeft niets geholpen en gaan we het weer doen.
   Of hebben ze wat nieuws uitgevonden?
   
   De problemen worden groter en groter en groter.
   Alles wat ze verzonnen hebben heeft gefaald.
   
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2. [verwijderd] 7 augustus 2011 23:08

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   we gaan het zien
3. €d_Modus Vivendi 7 augustus 2011 23:10

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   Stocks set to fall after US downgrade
   August 8, 2011 - 6:59AM
   
   Australian stocks are expected to fall into the red again again today after America's credit rating was downgraded for the first time in its history over the weekend.
   
   Hopes for a bounce on the Australian share market after a horror Friday appear to have been dashed after ratings agency Standard and Poor's downgraded United States government debt from AAA to AA+.
   
   At 6.25am AEST on the ASX 24, the September share price index futures contract was down five points at 4045.
4. €d_Modus Vivendi 7 augustus 2011 23:13

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   By Garry White, and Bruno Waterfield in Brussels
   
   9:32PM BST 07 Aug 2011
   
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   Eurozone central banks could start buying Italian bonds this morning – and it is believed that the ECB could also introduce emergency liquidity measures to stop money markets from freezing over. Last week, sovereign debt concerns wiped $2.5 trillion (£1.5 trillion) off global stock markets.
   
   In a statement last night the leaders of France and Germany declined to go further than reiterating their support for existing financial measures agreed on July 21.
   
   However, it is understood ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet was trying to extract an agreement from ECB members to buy Italian paper before Asian markets open today. G7 finance ministers are also expected to hold a conference call.
   
   Silvio Berlusconi's hastily announced promises to speed up reforms and balance the budget by 2013, a year ahead of schedule, are so far short on detail.
   
   The Italian prime minister, who is facing a trial on accusations of corruption, is also at the head of a fragile and divided ruling coalition.
5. [verwijderd] 7 augustus 2011 23:14

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6. €d_Modus Vivendi 7 augustus 2011 23:15

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   By Michael S. Arnold
   
   --Asian markets will open in uncharted territory Monday after S&P downgrades U.S. credit
   
   --Asian stocks likely to fall Monday, currencies likely to rise
   
   --In medium term, Asian assets may look more attractive relative to West
   
   --Impact on Asian interest rates more nuanced
   
   SINGAPORE(MarketWatch) -- Asian markets will be the first on Monday to confront a brave new world - one in which the U.S. government does not have the full faith and confidence of the major ratings agencies.
   
   This could make Asian assets look more attractive relative to those of the West, though the immediate fall-out could well be a flight from risk that sends stock markets plunging and bond yields rising around the globe.
   
   In particular, emerging markets could face greater scrutiny from institutions and investors with a renewed awareness of danger.
   
   The U.S. downgrade "is going to be a seismic event," said Ed Rogers, chief executive officer of Rogers Investment Advisors, the Japan advisory firm of New York-based investment firm Wolver Hill Asset Management. Beyond the initial downdraft in stock markets, "the most impact will likely be felt in the currency markets: The dollar is going to continue to get pummeled."
   
   Markets will be on intervention watch Monday, especially after efforts in Tokyo and other Asian capitals last week to stem the upward pressure on their local currencies.
   
   Central banks, from G-7 nations to emerging markets, "will be watching market developments tomorrow with a lot of ammunition, be it buying the (U.S.) dollar or bonds," said Song Seng Wun, executive director of CIMB-Research.
   
   China may raise the value of the yuan in its daily fixing, perhaps to a new all-time high against the dollar. One Shanghai-based Asian bank trader said the People's Bank of China may set a fixing in the 6.4350-6.4400 range, from Friday's 6.4451.
   
   That could be an important benchmark for Asian FX in general, as authorities throughout the region, fearful that rapid appreciation of their own currencies will erode their export competitiveness, keep a close eye on the yuan.
   
   U.S. Treasurys are likely to be sold in a knee-jerk reaction when trading opens in Tokyo at 0000 GMT, even though Asian central banks and other funds currently have few alternatives while the Eurozone is struggling with its own sovereign debt trouble.
   
   Takumi Shibata, chief operating officer of Nomura Holdings Inc., Japan's largest brokerage, told Dow Jones that Monday's market reaction could be less dramatic than anticipated.
   
   "Most investors will stay on the sidelines until their convictions come back to them" and they're able to confirm a trend, he said. "This can happen naturally with or without governments' contributions, but not tomorrow."
   
   In Hong Kong, where the Hang Seng Index has been in correction mode since April, analysts say a 3%-4% selloff Monday wouldn't be surprising.
   
   Longer-term, the S&P development could prove to be positive for Indian and other emerging-market equities, said Mohit Mirchandani, head of portfolio management services at Religare Mutual Fund.
   
   "In times of risk aversion, money would flow out of emerging markets into U.S. Treasurys, but that safe haven is not so safe anymore and there is no other asset class that can replace it immediately," he said.
   
   Traders expect further widening in Asia for credit default swaps, a sort of insurance on sovereign and corporate debt whose daily price fluctuations represent a continual reassessment of risk.
   
   "The cost of borrowing for all financial institutions will be higher because of a loss of confidence on sovereign debt," one trader at a major European bank in Hong Kong said.
   
   The most nuanced impact Monday could be on Asian credit markets.
   
   "Some people might think this could provoke a flight to quality into Asian sovereign assets, but I think the more likely scenario is that people stay nervous about everything," said Guy Stear, head of Asia research at Societe Generale.
7. €d_Modus Vivendi 7 augustus 2011 23:17

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   Economy, not debt rating, will send markets lower
   
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   NEW YORK (AP) -- U.S. investors will have their first chance Monday to react to Standard & Poor's decision to strip the U.S. government of its top credit rating. But the bigger issues facing Wall Street and stock markets worldwide remain debt-ridden countries in Europe and concerns that the global economy is weakening.
   
   The downgrade of U.S. long-term debt from AAA to AA+ wasn't unexpected and may have little impact on interest rates. But it's the kind of news that stock markets don't need when investors are nervous. As a result, financial analysts interviewed Sunday said they expect markets to be volatile this week - and beyond.
   
   That view was echoed by former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday. "It is very unlikely that isn't going to take a while to bottom out," he said of selling in the markets.
   
   Beyond the downgrade, though, investors have plenty of reason to be selling. Last week, the Dow Jones industrial average fell nearly 700 points, or 6 percent. Investors were worried because the economic signals in the U.S. and overseas were pointing toward trouble:
   
   -On July 29, the government dramatically lowered its estimate of how much the economy grew during the first quarter. It had said the economy grew at an annual rate of 1.3 percent, but revised that number down to 0.4 percent. That meant the economy barely grew. Second-quarter growth was also weak, a 1.3 percent rate.
   
   -The first reports on the economy during the third quarter have been mixed. Manufacturing, which helped pull the economy out of the recession, fell to its weakest level since July 2009. That was the month after the recession officially ended. The Labor Department said 117,000 jobs were created last month. But that came after 99,000 jobs were created in May and June combined - and 250,000 new jobs are needed each month to reduce unemployment.
   
   -European officials are trying to help Italy avoid the kind of bailouts that Greece, Portugal and Spain were forced to accept to prevent them from defaulting on their debt. And those bailouts haven't solved all the problems in those countries.
   
   To investors, the downgrade made it all worse.
   
   "We are in unchartered territory and, therefore, should all brace for volatility over a number of days if not weeks," said Mohamed El-Erian, CEO and co-chief investment officer of the bond mutual fund company PIMCO.
   
   Greenspan noted that S&P had "hit a nerve" with its downgrade. The ratings agency said it was lowering the U.S. rating not just because of the country's debt load, but because S&P doesn't believe Congress has the ability to resolve the country's debt problems. And it warned that another downgrade could be forthcoming.
   
   On Saturday, David Beers, S&P's global head of sovereign ratings, said his agency was concerned about "the degree of uncertainty about the political policy process" in Washington.
   
   S&P was looking for $4 trillion in budget cuts over 10 years. The deal that Congress passed on Tuesday would bring $2.1 trillion to $2.4 trillion in cuts over that time. S&P said it was also concerned about the ability of Congress to implement those cuts because of the division between Republicans and Democrats.
   
   "Right now, the markets don't believe anybody anywhere and the uncertainty premium is very high. Since the end of World War I, the United States has been an unquestioned AAA credit, until now," said David Kotok, chairman and chief investment officer of Cumberland Advisors.
   
   Prudential Financial market strategist Quincy Krosby, said, "The rating is in essence an indictment of Congress and puts the president on the defensive. While both sides came up with a package that was short on the cuts that we needed, ultimately it happened on this president's watch. So, it takes on a very symbolic indictment of his ability to run the United States."
   
   Investors are worried about debt not only because countries and many people are overwhelmed by it. Debt is what financed economic growth for decades. Now countries and people are cutting back on debt - deleveraging is what economists call that process - and that means economic growth in the future will be slower. Economists had widely expected the U.S. economy to pick up in the second half of the year after its soft patch in the spring. But the stock market, which looks six to nine months ahead, doesn't see an improvement until well into 2012.
   
   They may get more insight on Tuesday. The Federal Reserve holds a regularly scheduled meeting on the economy and interest rates. It's expected the central bank will state that interest rates will need to remain at their current low levels for at least another year.
   
   Even with this bleak outlook, some analysts see a chance for stocks to rise, at least in the short run.
   
   The stock market could recover next week if European leaders make progress in averting another debt crisis in that region, said Ryan Detrick, senior technical strategist at Schaeffer's Investment Research.
   
   Still, even if stocks do rise, there are so many economic and political problems to be resolved that any rally may well be very short-lived.
   
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8. [verwijderd] 7 augustus 2011 23:19

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   Wie had dit 10 jaar geleden kunnen denken dat ze er zo´n puinhoop van zouden maken en controlerende instanties totaal niet capabel zijn in hun functie.
   
   en controlerende instanties totaal niet capabel zijn in hun functie.
   
   Juist, dat was/is nog probleem 1........
9. [verwijderd] 7 augustus 2011 23:23

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   Als een land moet bezuinigen en nogmaals, dan is dat slecht voor de economie.
   Als de economie niet goed is, komen er ook geen belastinggelden binnen.
   En als er geen belastinggelden binnenkomen , dan word de schuld alleen maar groter.
   Dicht je het ene gat, komt er weer een gat bij.
   
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10. [verwijderd] 7 augustus 2011 23:29

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    PRESS RELEASE
    
    7 August 2011 - Statement by the President of the ECB
    
    1. The Governing Council of the European Central Bank (ECB) welcomes the announcements made by the governments of Italy and Spain concerning new measures and reforms in the areas of fiscal and structural policies. The Governing Council considers a decisive and swift implementation by both governments as essential in order to substantially enhance the competitiveness and flexibility of their economies, and to rapidly reduce public deficits.
    
    2. The Governing Council underlines the importance of the commitment of all Heads of State or Government to adhere strictly to the agreed fiscal targets, as reaffirmed at the euro area summit of 21 July 2011. A key element is also the enhancement of the growth potential of the economy.
    
    3. The Governing Council considers essential the prompt implementation of all the decisions taken at the euro area summit. In this perspective, the Governing Council welcomes the joint commitment expressed by Germany and France today.
    
    4. The Governing Council attaches decisive importance to the declaration of the Heads of State or Government of the euro area in the inflexible determination to fully honour their own individual sovereign signature as a key element in ensuring financial stability in the euro area as a whole.
    
    5. It equally considers fundamental that governments stand ready to activate the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) in the secondary market, on the basis of an ECB analysis recognising the existence of exceptional financial market circumstances and risks to financial stability, once the EFSF is operational.
    
    6. It is on the basis of the above assessments that the ECB will actively implement its Securities Markets Programme. This programme has been designed to help restoring a better transmission of our monetary policy decisions – taking account of dysfunctional market segments – and therefore to ensure price stability in the euro area.
12. [verwijderd] 7 augustus 2011 23:35

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    bron > www.ecb.int/press/pr/date/2011/html/p...
13. [verwijderd] 7 augustus 2011 23:44

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    Veel grote beleggers als pensioenfondsen en verzekeraars hebben zichzelf verplicht een deel van hun vermogen alleen te beleggen in de allerveiligste beleggingen, AAA-papier dus. Zij zouden nu massaal moeten gaan verkopen.
14. Tradingmate 8 augustus 2011 00:05

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    Dom-dom schreef op 7 augustus 2011 21:35:

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    Ik heb een mooi ritje gemaakt van 6.21 naar 6.92.
    Eñ over de assets heb je al geantwoord.
    
    Voor mij is dat 5.50
    

    Waar baseren jullie dat toch op?? 5,00 of 5,50..??
    Bij een paniek beurs is het wat de "gek" er voor geeft... of beter,...waar de "gek" hem voor laat.
    
    Want bij een winst van 1,60 voor 2011 lijkt me 5,50 wel erg laag. Dat is namelijk een k/w van 3,4. Beetje laag niet?!
    
    
15. [verwijderd] 8 augustus 2011 00:15

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    quote:

    Tradingmate schreef:

    [...]
    
    Waar baseren jullie dat toch op?? 5,00 of 5,50..??
    Bij een paniek beurs is het wat de "gek" er voor geeft... of beter,...waar de "gek" hem voor laat.
    
    Want bij een winst van 1,60 voor 2011 lijkt me 5,50 wel erg laag. Dat is namelijk een k/w van 3,4. Beetje laag niet?!
    
    futs nu 1.6 procent lager en usa 2.6 procent lager ai ai
    
    

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    Iedereen is nu angst in geboezemd maar het is slecht om in paniek te verkopen. Ik verwacht dat een een daling aan het begin van de handel maar al gauw komt het besef dat de wereld niet vergaat en zullen de koersen nar groen gaan. Na 10 dagen van daling zal er nu een herstel optreden.
17. Damjan 8 augustus 2011 00:27

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    dagobert1 schreef op 8 augustus 2011 00:20:

    Iedereen is nu angst in geboezemd maar het is slecht om in paniek te verkopen. Ik verwacht dat een een daling aan het begin van de handel maar al gauw komt het besef dat de wereld niet vergaat en zullen de koersen nar groen gaan. Na 10 dagen van daling zal er nu een herstel optreden.
    

    Jij hebt makkelijk praten met je pakhuis voor gouden munten, pas maar op dat de zware jongens vanavond niet langskomen ^^
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    Damjan schreef op 8 augustus 2011 00:27:

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    Jij hebt makkelijk praten met je pakhuis voor gouden munten, pas maar op dat de zware jongens vanavond niet langskomen ^^
    

    Of Guus Geluk! ;-)
    
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    ^^ xD
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    De reactie in azie lijkt mee te vallen, voor nu, even een tikje en weer pullback
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    11:00 Plaatselijke tijd Tokyo. Einde ochtendsessie.
    Nikkei 225: 9,177.96 -121.92 ( - 1.31%)
    
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