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  1. [verwijderd] 7 december 2011 13:48
    wat een k*tdag zeg he.. pff 2k verlies gepakt. stoploss van 5,80 komt wel akelig dichtbij.. nou, dat is dan nog maar 500 euri deze kwartaal.. pfffffff
  2. [verwijderd] 7 december 2011 13:54
    quote:

    Jumperr schreef op 7 december 2011 13:44:

    Eurowin, ja ik ben er vrij zeker van dat het omhoog gaat dit jaar... Maar goed, het blijft een gok. En wie ben ik, kan ook niet in de toekomst kijken.
    Oke, suc6, mijn voorstel was alleen maar omdat je koop op 5 euro was, dat is nu nog veel winst, maar doe wat je moet doen, ...gr
  3. [verwijderd] 7 december 2011 13:55
    quote:

    jasmits schreef op 7 december 2011 13:14:

    Het Euro besluit gaat beslist negatief uitpakken.
    Het wordt weer zoals altijd, " buiten spezen niets gewezen"
    De engelsen zullen in iedergeval roet in het euro-eten gooien.hebben jullie het kommentaar van David Cameron nog niet bgelezen?
    Precies, u bent ook op de hoogte...

    m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/n...

    Mooi te zien on YouTube:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9kz_bKYslg&a...
  4. [verwijderd] 7 december 2011 13:59
    quote:

    tmt schreef op 7 december 2011 13:55:

    verkopen en niet wachten, ik weet nog bij de 3q cijfers, elke dag ging het down... tot 4.70 van 6.43
    Is geen garantie dat het nu weer gebeurd..
  5. glasinlood 7 december 2011 14:02
    TEXT-S&P affirms ING Verzekeringen ratings on Q4 reserve charge

    (The following statement was released by the rating agency)
    Dec 07-
    -- ING Groep N.V. <ING.AS> (ING) has announced that it will strengthen reserves on
    its U.S. closed block variable annuity business by EUR0.9 billion to EUR1.1
    billion during the fourth quarter of 2011.
    -- This significant reserve charge, which represents most of ING
    Verzekeringen N.V.'s [INGVZK.UL] (INGV) estimated net underlying earnings for 2011,
    indicates the continuing risks in ING's U.S. closed block variable annuity
    business.
    -- The effect on INGV's consolidated capital adequacy is likely to be
    broadly offset by the profit it is expected to make by selling its Latin
    American pension business, while the reserve funding will be supported by a
    letter of credit from ING Bank.
    -- As a result, we are affirming the ratings on ING Verzekeringen and its
    European operating insurance subsidiaries.
    -- The negative outlook on INGV and its European operating insurance
    subsidiaries reflects our view of the significant risks associated with the
    divestment of ING's insurance operations.
    Standard & Poor's Ratings Services today affirmed its 'A-/A-2' counterparty credit ratings
    on Netherlands-based insurance holding company ING Verzekeringen N.V. (INGV). At the same time,
    we affirmed our 'A+' long-term counterparty credit and insurer financial strength ratings on
    INGV's European operating insurance subsidiaries. The outlook remains negative. (See ratings
    list for all ratings affected.)
    We also affirmed the ratings on ING Bank N.V. (A+/Stable/A-1) and ING Groep
    N.V. (ING; A/Stable-A-1).
    The rating affirmation on INGV and its Europe-based subsidiaries follows
    today's announcement by ING that it will strengthen reserves on its U.S.
    closed block variable annuity business by EUR0.9 billion to EUR1.1 billion during
    the fourth quarter of 2011. This significant reserve charge, which represents
    most of INGV's estimated net underlying earnings for 2011, indicates the
    continuing risks in ING's U.S. closed block variable annuity business.
    We expect that ING's insurance operations will complete the sale of its Latin
    American pension business before the year-end and realize a gain of about EUR1
    billion on disposal, supporting our rating affirmation. The profit is likely
    to broadly offset the impact on INGV's consolidated capital adequacy of the
    U.S. reserve charge. We also recognize in our analysis that ING Bank will
    provide a letter of credit, backed by a guarantee from ING, to support the
    U.S. insurance operations, reducing the burden on INGV of funding the U.S.
    reserve strengthening.
    ING has performed its annual review of its policyholder behavior assumptions,
    and changes in these triggered the reserve charges on the U.S. closed block
    variable annuity business. In particular, the changes recognize that
    policyholders are less likely to allow their contracts to lapse when
    guarantees are more heavily in-the-money. Assumptions relating to mortality,
    the annuitization rate, and the rate at which policyholders exercise their
    right to withdraw funds from their annuity (so-called guaranteed minimum
    withdrawal benefits) are also being updated.
    The ratings on INGV reflect the insurance group's strong local competitive
    positions across a number of markets, highly diverse profile, and flexibility
    to manage capital adequacy and liquidity across the ING Group. These positive
    factors are partially offset by continued pressure on capital adequacy because
    of investment risk exposures. Earnings also remain constrained by both the
    difficult operating environment and initiatives to reduce asset risk.
    The affirmation of the ratings on ING Bank N.V. and ING Groep N.V. reflects
    our view that the letter of credit will have only a modest impact on the
    bank's risk-adjusted capital ratio and our assessment of capital and earnings
    is unchanged.
    The negative outlook on INGV and its European operating insurance subsidiaries
    reflects our view of the significant risks associated with the divestment of
    ING's insurance operations. We may lower the ratings on INGV if:
    -- We see evidence that the performance of ING's insurance business is
    being impaired by the uncertainty surrounding its divestment; or
    -- Capital adequacy falls more than one category below the rating level,
    which could result from risks relating to ING's U.S. closed block variable
    annuity business or investment exposures.

    The outlook on INGV could be revised to stable if:
    -- ING successfully executes the planned IPO of its U.S. insurance
    business, reducing INGV's exposure to the higher risk profile of its U.S.
    insurance operations, without impairing the strength of its balance sheet;
    -- ING's insurance operations continue to demonstrate a high level of
    resilience in underlying performance as measured by growth in new sales,
    stability in client balances, and strong progress toward the group's 10%
    return on equity target, based on growth in the operating result; and
    -- Capital adequacy is rebuilt to levels commensurate with the ratings,
    financial leverage is maintained below 35%, and fixed charge cover is
    sustainable above 5x.

    RELATED CRITERIA AND RESEARCH
    -- Principles Of Credit Ratings, Feb. 16, 2011
    -- Group Rating Methodology And Assumptions, Nov. 9, 2011
    -- Holding Company Analysis, June 11, 2009
    -- Interactive Ratings Methodology, April 22, 2009
    -- Hybrid Capital Handbook: September 2008 Edition, Sept. 15, 2008
    -- Counterparty Credit Ratings And The Credit Framework, April 14, 2004
    -- Refined Methodology And Assumptions For Analyzing Insurer Capital
    Adequacy Using The Risk-Based Insurance Capital Model, June 7, 2010
    ((Bangalore Ratings Team, Hotline: +91 80 4135 5898
    satish.kb@thomsonreuters.com, Group id: BangaloreRatings@thomsonreuters.com,
    Reuters Messaging: satish.kb.thomsonreuters.com@reuters.net))

  6. [verwijderd] 7 december 2011 14:02
    precies, is geen garantie dat we naar beneden gaan. Vanwege dit tegenvallende bericht uit de VS hoeven we niet allemaal in paniek te raken.
  7. [verwijderd] 7 december 2011 14:04
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    joker525 schreef op 7 december 2011 13:33:

    Wie stapt er vol in de puts??
    Mr Cohiba, al sinds gisteren...

    Maar zoals gezegd, een evt ECB renteverlaging morgen kan een uitstekende tijdelijke dag boost geven...
  8. [verwijderd] 7 december 2011 14:04
    We expect that ING's insurance operations will complete the sale of its Latin
    American pension business before the year-end and realize a gain of about EUR 1 billion

    // dat zou het verlies van vandaag weer goedmaken !
  9. [verwijderd] 7 december 2011 14:14
    Als we allemaal een beetje bijkopen is het leed zo weer geleden, met aanbod is met een beetje vraag de boel zo weer hoog. Of kunnen we nog lager, kan het me echt niet voorstellen. vanmiddag zitten we weer naar de schermen te kijken en balen dat we niet verder ingestapt zijn.
  10. [verwijderd] 7 december 2011 14:16
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    VOORTS schreef op 7 december 2011 14:12:

    We laten ons weer heerlijk leiden door het land wat het meest failliet is van allemaal,en waar de klerezooi is onstaan.
    Nope, Spain en België zijn aan de beurt: Daar broeit wat :

    www.staatslening.info/

    Spaanse en Belgische rente 5 jr stijgen significant...

    Land Rating 1 Jaar Delta 2 Jaar Delta 5 JaarDelta10JaarDelta 30Jaar Delta
    Spanje AA- 4,25% 5,9% 4,97% 5,9% 5,42% 4,0% 6,17% 4,8%

    België AA 3,28% -0,7% 3,84% 3,8% 4,37% 1,6% 4,64% 0,8%

  11. Anatevka 7 december 2011 14:24
    Ja, verdorie... Een turbo 5.50 begint ook gevaar te lopen, vind ik. Begin serieus te denken over uitstappen en afwachten wat de koers doet.
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