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KPN Weekdraadje 7 t/m 13 september

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  1. RAUL 11 september 2013 23:17
    quote:

    marcnic schreef op 11 september 2013 23:09:

    Weet niet of dit hier vanavond al eerder is gepost?

    By Quentin Webb
    The author is a Reuters Breakingviews columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.

    Carlos Slim can pay more for KPN. Unless the two sides agree a friendly deal, a poison pill will probably stop the billionaire’s America Movil from buying the 70.2 percent of the Dutch telecoms outfit that it does not already own. Yet there are strategic and financial reasons for Slim to keep the deal alive. And since his current offer looks cheap, a sweetened bid could still stack up.

    At 2.40 euros a share, Slim’s proposal is worth at most 7.2 billion euros. It represents a skinny 20 percent premium over KPN’s value prior to the offer being announced, and equates to an enterprise value of about 4.6 times 2014 EBITDA, Breakingviews calculations show.

    That looks meagre. Without any takeover premium, European peers trade on about 4.8 times forward EV/EBITDA ratios, according to Datastream. Worse, the offer is unchanged since KPN, at America Movil’s prodding, won better terms for the sale of its German unit. That added roughly 11 cents per share to KPN’s value.

    So, there should be room for manoeuvre – even if America Movil is insisting it will not budge. A bid at 2.70 euros a share would lift the premium to 35 percent, and the EBITDA multiple to about 5 times, without blitzing America Movil’s credit ratings.

    What’s more, if the regulatory, technological and economic challenges hammering European telecoms abate, valuation multiples and earnings should recover across the sector. And while there won’t be big synergies, America Movil presumably reckons it can run KPN better than the current lot, unlocking extra value.

    A successful deal has wider significance for Slim too. He has already staked 4 billion euros on KPN, but gained limited influence in return, as the German kerfuffle showed. He is also eager to diversify away from Mexico, where the government is taking on oligopolies. Doubling down both deepens his European presence and protects an important existing investment.

    These broader strategic considerations are harder to value. But suppose they are worth 500 million euros to Slim. That could justify a further bump towards 2.85 euros a share. If Slim really is serious about his proposal, he can afford to show it

    Ja , een keertje of 6 a 7 !! Welterusten. Morgenochtend weer vroeg op en voorbeurs hopelijk goed nieuws. Verwacht wel iets met die oplopende koers van vanmiddaq en vanavond in NYC. En morgen is het 12 sep. !! En anders, toch nog even geduld hebben. Die paar dagen kunnen er dan ook nog wel bij.
  2. marcnic 11 september 2013 23:18
    quote:

    Martijn van M schreef op 11 september 2013 23:15:

    [...]

    Dat is een artikel van vanmiddag, vlak na de publicatie begon de koers duidelijk op te lopen; het zou best kunnen dat we morgen moeten concluderen dat de koersstijging wellicht slechts een 'hype' was n.a.v. dit artikel.
    Bedankt voor de info Martijn.
  3. [verwijderd] 11 september 2013 23:19
    quote:

    neeroppie schreef op 11 september 2013 23:13:

    [...]

    Nou gesellie ! Ach..het is de spanning die sommigen teveel wordt denk ik.

    Ik ben helemaal zen. Dat komt omdat ik niet voortdurend ongefundeerde onzin uitkraam. Dit in tegenstelling tot figuren als Rabo, Sneu13 en Anusolie
  4. [verwijderd] 11 september 2013 23:19
    quote:

    Martijn van M schreef op 11 september 2013 23:15:

    [...]

    Dat is een artikel van vanmiddag, vlak na de publicatie begon de koers duidelijk op te lopen; het zou best kunnen dat we morgen moeten concluderen dat de koersstijging wellicht slechts een 'hype' was n.a.v. dit artikel.
    Dat moet wel. Wat verklaart anders die absurde stijging van 1,59% !!! vandaag.
  5. [verwijderd] 11 september 2013 23:21
    quote:

    Bajelenose schreef op 11 september 2013 23:19:

    [...]
    Dat moet wel. Wat verklaart anders die absurde stijging van 1,59% !!! vandaag.
    LOL
  6. forum rang 4 Bernardo 11 september 2013 23:21
    quote:

    Martijn van M schreef op 11 september 2013 23:15:

    [...]

    Dat is een artikel van vanmiddag, vlak na de publicatie begon de koers duidelijk op te lopen; het zou best kunnen dat we morgen moeten concluderen dat de koersstijging wellicht slechts een 'hype' was n.a.v. dit artikel.
    Hype of niet,een hype gaat langer als een dag mee :)
    Op 2,35 wou ik ze niet verkopen dus heb nog wel geduld, geen overname is ook goed!
  7. [verwijderd] 11 september 2013 23:24
    quote:

    Bernardo schreef op 11 september 2013 23:21:

    [...] Hype of niet,een hype gaat langer als een dag mee :)
    Op 2,35 wou ik ze niet verkopen dus heb nog wel geduld, geen overname is ook goed!
    voor die prijs mogen ze van mij eruit.
  8. forum rang 6 €d_Modus Vivendi 11 september 2013 23:31


    De hulp- en alarmeringssystemen 112 en C2000 mogen in geen geval in buitenlandse handen komen, vindt Louis Bontes van de PVV.

    Nu er sprake van is dat het Mexicaanse telecombedrijf América Móvil KPN wil overnemen, is Bontes daar erg bevreesd voor, zo bleek vanmiddag in de Tweede Kamer.

    "Deze infrastructuur is zo vitaal, heel de veiligheid van Nederland hangt ermee samen", waarschuwde hij. "De risico's zijn erg groot als ze in buitenlandse handen vallen. Ze moeten in Nederlandse handen blijven", aldus het Kamerlid.

    Minister Ivo Opstelten vindt dat Bontes te vroeg is met zijn eis voor een garantie dat de systemen in Nederlandse handen blijven. Hij vindt dat de PVV'er een kabinetsbrief over de kwestie moet afwachten. (ANP)
  9. forum rang 6 €d_Modus Vivendi 11 september 2013 23:34
    Is it Time to Consider a European Telecom Provider?

    By Bob Chandler | More Articles
    September 11, 2013 | Comments (0)

    The Verizon buyout of Vodafone Group's (NASDAQ: VOD ) minority stake looks a win for both parties. Verizon acquires full ownership of its leading U.S. wireless business and Vodafone gets about $130 billion in cash and stock. But the transaction also suggests that the British company might be expecting better returns elsewhere. Vodafone and other telecom giants have been increasingly looking to Europe. It may benefit individual investors to look there as well.

    The European market is inhospitable but active
    The European telecom market is not a very friendly place to operate. Increased competition and government regulation hobbles profitability in a fairly saturated market. But as tough as the environment is, Europe still seems a popular area for telecom deal making.

    Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim's America Movil recently made a $9.6 billion bid for the 70% of KPN, a Dutch telecom company, that it does not already own. Slim is trying to topple an earlier $11 billion offer from Spanish telecom leader Telefonica for KPN's key asset, Germany's E-Plus. America Movil isn't the only company looking to raise its presence in Europe. Top U.S. wireless operator AT&T has been reported to be looking for an acquisition on the continent and Vodafone recently outbid Liberty Global, a company controlled by American media mogul John Malone, with a nearly $10 billion offer to win Kabel Deutschland, the biggest cable TV operator in Germany.

    European telecom companies to watch
    Given that these telecom giants find European markets attractive, individual investors may also want to consider investing in the sector. Some prominent firms include:

    Telecom Italia Group (NYSE: TI ) is a fixed and mobile telecom company with most of its operations in domestic Italy, which generates about 60% of revenues. Brazil and Argentina properties account for the remaining 40%. Though the company operates in a tough environment with a heavy debt load, it also looks amenable to some sort of partnership to help ease its burdens.

    Last December, Telecom Italia turned down separate offers of investment and a combination of wireless assets due to valuation differences. Though those discussions fizzled, Italia still looks inclined to make an arrangement. In a move to possibly ease government concerns, the company recently said it is planning to spin-off its fixed-line assets into a new company with some ownership going to a state lender. Fixed- line assets are considered strategic by the Italian government and such a proposal could offer the company more flexibility in dealing their mobile business.

    The company should get some interest given its valuation. The stock, using a cash earnings times a capitalization multiplier valuation, seems to be trading at less than a 3.0 times multiple based upon cash earnings of around $6.0 billion and profit margin of 17.2% on sales of $35.0 billion. While it's probably reasonable to give some discount to Italia given the company's weak first half results, where revenues fell a steep 7%, the possibility of a beneficial partnership might make the current cut overly pessimistic.

    Orange (NYSE: ORAN ) , formerly France Telecom, is another leading European telecom provider. Over 50% of the company's sales are from the domestic French market with the rest spread out over the rest of Europe, the Middle East and Africa. High regulatory burdens and increased competition in Orange's markets have lead to significant price cuts, lower revenues, and reduced profits. Sales dropped 4.5% in the first half of 2013 and operating income fell a dreadful 11%.

    In spite of these headwinds, the company has made some gains. A focus on commercial business helped revive mobile growth in France and Spain with total year-on-year subscribers increasing 3.1%. The company is also expanding its broadband capabilities to lure in lucrative high-data use customers. It has begun rolling out improved 4G LTE mobile networks in many of its major markets and "Fiber to the Home" fixed broadband in both France and Spain.

    Though not thought a major deal target nor a significant acquirer, the current market valuation on Orange may generate some attention. Trading at less than a 4.0 times multiple, based on sales of $52.7 billion and cash earnings of around $7.5 billion at a margin of 14.2%, the shares could lift on any signs of business stabilization or additional success in the company's growth initiatives.

    Vodafone is another European telecom to watch. The company has some substantial operations outside the U.S. Its Northern & Central European markets account for about 47% of the company's $66 billion in sales. Businesses in Africa, Asia and the Middle East and Southern Europe generate the rest. Vodafone is also looking toward broadband growth to offset its lagging mobile markets, where revenues dropped 3.5% in the latest quarter.

    The acquisition of Germany's largest cable TV company is its most noticeable move in building out broadband but Vodafone is also looking at a major investment plan called "Project Spring" to develop high-capacity data service across Europe and the emerging markets. After the Verizon deal closes, Vodafone will be left with roughly $30 billion to invest. This cash horde provides the company a lot of resources and options to improve its network.

    Vodafone shares might look most intriguing after the U.S. assets are divested. Given the company's remaining businesses look to deliver revenue of around $66.0 billion and cash earnings of near $9.5 billion at a profit margin of 14.4%, its reasonable to expect the residual "stub" shares could be worth something in the $10 area assuming a slightly optimistic 5 times multiple.

    Conclusion
    It looks like many large telecom operators see attractive opportunities in the European market. As they seem willing to drop billions of dollars into the region, individual investors might want to consider the area as well. Though the operating environment isn't very friendly, companies like Telecom Italia have been making adaptive moves. Moves that, if successful, could offer noticeable upside for those discounted European telecom shares.

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  10. [verwijderd] 11 september 2013 23:54
    quote:

    ressiva_ schreef op 11 september 2013 23:34:

    Het wordt morgen een rustige dag voor RABO, hij kan hier nl. niks posten, want dan wordt ie afgemaakt.
    die heeft een gigantische plank voor z'n kop.
    en rabo als morgen blijkt dat er een bod komt van 2,53 ,bij voorbaat oprechte excuses. :-)
  11. [verwijderd] 12 september 2013 00:19
    Telefónica geplaatst zijn eerste uitgave van eeuwige schuld van 1,750 miljoen euro

    lainformacion.com

    Woensdag 11/09/13 - 21:03
    [0]

    Het bedrijf onder leiding Alierta heeft zijn eerste uitgifte van eeuwigdurende obligaties voor een totaal bedrag van 1,750 miljoen euro geplaatst.
    Deze operatie maakt deel uit van de financieringsstructuur ontworpen door Telefónica naar de Duitse operator E-Plus te kopen, volgens het bedrijf.

    noticias.lainformacion.com/economia-n...
  12. [verwijderd] 12 september 2013 00:25
    De buitengewoon interessante berichtgeving als daarvan tenminste gesproken zou kunnen mogen worden van de laatste twee uren heeft mij tot het inzicht gebracht dat zelfs in het geheel niets kan leiden tot disputen die van de orde uit de eerste klad van de Lagere School zijn(tegenwoordig is dat voor zover mij bekend de basisschool) en uit dien hoofde geen enkele betekenis hebben voor de voortgang van de discussie.

    Het ware om die reden dan ook niet alleen zelfs te hopen doch bijzonder wenselijk dat teneinde deze baarlijke nonsens voorgoed de kop in te drukken dat morgen te welker tijd ook en desnoods in het Chinees een bod van ongeacht welke hoogte wordt aangekondigd onverschillig door wie en onmiddellijk als zodanig aanbevolen door de Raad van Bestuur alsmede de Raad van Commissarissen en desnoods de oude mannetjes van de stichting en tenslotte nog de verantwoordelijke minister.

    Halt doch letztendlich die Klappe !
  13. marcnic 12 september 2013 01:34
    Telefonica mulls offer for Telecom Italia shareholders: source

    By Robert Hetz

    MADRID | Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:13pm EDT

    (Reuters) - Telefonica (TEF.MC) is studying different options to buy out fellow investors in Telecom Italia (TLIT.MI) without the Spanish group adding to its own substantial debt burden, a source familiar with the situation told Reuters on Wednesday.

    That offer could take the shape of a share swap or even mean Telefonica may have to divest some assets to be able to pay cash, analysts say.

    The Italian company, controlled by holding company Telco in which Telefonica is the largest shareholder, will hold a board meeting on September 19.

    "Telefonica does not want to go (to board meeting) empty-handed, but the challenge is finding a solution that offers liquidity to Telco stakeholders without increasing Telefonica's debt," the source said, without elaborating on what specific format could provide a solution.

    The meeting will discuss how to relaunch the heavily indebted Italian group, including a possible change of the shareholder structure and plans to boost investments.

    The Italian investors in Telco are prepared, in varying degrees, to sell their shares and cut their losses since they made their investment as they get their first opportunity to leave the shareholder pact by September 28, sources have said.

    Telefonica has an indirect 10.5 percent stake in Telecom Italia through its 46 percent share of Telco, which was formed with Italian investors banks Mediobanca (MDBI.MI), Intesa Sanpaolo (ISP.MI) - under pressure to boost capital - and Generali (GASI.MI).

    Insurer Generali, for example, wants a buyer that can pay a hefty premium to match its book value for the stake which is about twice Telecom Italia's current market value, a source familiar with the situation has told Reuters.

    Analysts said that one possibility could be to offer shares in Telefonica itself in exchange for illiquid shares in the holding, which do not trade directly.

    Or Telefonica could offer cash after divesting another asset, such as China Unicom (0762.HK) in which it has an around 5 percent stake worth about 1.5 billion euros.

    But the issue is not just valuation, but politics.

    "The Italian shareholders who want to leave are financial shareholders who were brought onboard Telco by the Italian government back in 2006 in order to keep Telefonica in check," said an analyst speaking on condition of anonymity.

    "Now things have changed, but in the minds of Italian politicians that want to maintain Telecom as fully Italian, and leaving Telefonica as a shareholder with a 22.5 percent stake in TI might not be seen as something too comfortable," he said, adding that alternatives to Telefonica were not easy to swallow either.

    Mediobanca, Intesa and Generali declined to comment on Wednesday.

    Telecom Italia is seen by some analysts as a possible takeover target in a shake-up of the sector expected to be triggered by Verizon Communications' (VZ.N) $130 billion buyout of British operator Vodafone's (VOD.L) U.S. wireless business.

    Telefonica does not want the stakes held by Telco's Italian investors to fall into the hands of a rival but its situation is complicated by its own heavy debt burden.

    At almost 50 billion euros and 3.37 times equity at end-June, the Spanish group's debt is something investors and ratings agencies have been watching closely.

    Before paring gains, Telecom Italia shares rose as much as 3 percent in the wake of the Reuters report about Telefonica considering an offer. By the close, the stock was up 1.3 percent at 0.6130 euros.

    Sources have said an option for Telecom Italia would be a merger with Telefonica in the medium term and that operation would be preceded by a sale of Telecom Italia's Brazilian unit TIM Participacoes (TIMP3.SA) for antitrust reasons.

    ($1 = 0.7538 euros)

    (Additional reporting and writing by Elisabeth O'Leary and Danilo Masoni; editting by David Evans)
  14. [verwijderd] 12 september 2013 05:39
    quote:

    elf schreef op 12 september 2013 00:25:

    De buitengewoon interessante berichtgeving als daarvan tenminste gesproken zou kunnen mogen worden van de laatste twee uren heeft mij tot het inzicht gebracht dat zelfs in het geheel niets kan leiden tot disputen die van de orde uit de eerste klad van de Lagere School zijn(tegenwoordig is dat voor zover mij bekend de basisschool) en uit dien hoofde geen enkele betekenis hebben voor de voortgang van de discussie.

    Het ware om die reden dan ook niet alleen zelfs te hopen doch bijzonder wenselijk dat teneinde deze baarlijke nonsens voorgoed de kop in te drukken dat morgen te welker tijd ook en desnoods in het Chinees een bod van ongeacht welke hoogte wordt aangekondigd onverschillig door wie en onmiddellijk als zodanig aanbevolen door de Raad van Bestuur alsmede de Raad van Commissarissen en desnoods de oude mannetjes van de stichting en tenslotte nog de verantwoordelijke minister.

    Halt doch letztendlich die Klappe !
    Ooit gehoord van interpunctie? :)
  15. forum rang 6 sportliefhebber 12 september 2013 06:49
    quote:

    D€nni$ schreef op 12 september 2013 06:44:

    Goedemorgen!

    De plannen van kroes zijn al zo'n tijd bekend, dit is al verwerkt in de koersen mi.

    Succes!
    allang...
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