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  1. forum rang 6 Zaphod Beeblebrox 7 januari 2023 20:08
    quote:

    Straddleman schreef op 7 januari 2023 19:18:

    [...]

    Wat is dan het verdienmodel van dat netwerk?
    Bv decentrale apps die draaien op ethereum voeren settlement van transacties uit op ethereum en betalen daarvoor transactiekosten. Ook DeFi producten, games, metaverse applicaties gebruiken de zekerheid, snelheid en directe settlememt van bv het ethereum netwerk en betalen wat transactiekosten.
  2. Straddleman 7 januari 2023 20:09
    quote:

    VDX2 schreef op 7 januari 2023 19:39:

    [...]

    ik had het over de AEX slimpie
    die olie, paar worsten v unilever en wat bier kan je niet vergelijken met $326,222,028,626 marketcap van btc
    Dat "slimpie" gebruikt dzr ook al niet beseffende dat hiermee je jezelf te kijk zet.
  3. forum rang 6 Littletycoon 7 januari 2023 20:09
    quote:

    VDX2 schreef op 7 januari 2023 19:39:

    [...]

    ik had het over de AEX slimpie
    die olie, paar worsten v unilever en wat bier kan je niet vergelijken met $326,222,028,626 marketcap van btc
    Je hebt echt geen flauw benul he:

    Market cap shell: 201,2 mld.
    Market cap Unilever: 125,9 mld
    Market cap Heineken 53,2 mld

    Dit in EUR en allemaal tegen slotkoers en vrijdag jl. Dus slechts shell en Unilever samen hebben al een market cap > btc. Het is 100% zeker dat de market cap van die kleine NL aex een multiple is van de market cap van alle crypto bij elkaar.

    En nog veel belangrijker, die bedrijven hebben onderliggende cash flow. BTC en andere crypto hebben 0 cash flow. Slimme mensen zijn ingesprongen op de hype en hebben geld verdiend, die zijn inmiddels grotendeels vertrokken.

    Wat resteert zijn helaas de verliezers: Ook slimme mensen (maar het verschil tussen winnen en verliezen is subtiel en klein) en een heleboel minder slimme mensen die zich vastklampen aan dogma's van hoop zonder kritisch te zijn.
  4. [verwijderd] 7 januari 2023 20:38
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    Fred 61 schreef op 7 januari 2023 20:03:

    [...]

    Bitcoin markercap $326,222,028,626

    Shell + Unilever markercap $327,000,000,000

    Heeft de AEX nog 23 aandelen over.
    al 2x zeg ik AEX en fredtje roept bier en rookworsten
    weet fredtje dan niet dat de AEX indexpunten zijn en dat aandelen gewogen worden? (geen rookworsten)

    AEX Bedrijven
    Weging
    Unilever 16,68%
    Shell 13,94%
    ASML Holding 15,34%
    Prosus 7,16%
    RELX 7,06%
    Adyen 5,16%
    ING Group 4,92%
    Ahold Delhaize 3,88%
    Wolters Kluwer 3,73%
    Heineken 2,94%
  5. forum rang 6 Littletycoon 7 januari 2023 20:59
    quote:

    VDX2 schreef op 7 januari 2023 20:38:

    [...]

    al 2x zeg ik AEX en fredtje roept bier en rookworsten
    weet fredtje dan niet dat de AEX indexpunten zijn en dat aandelen gewogen worden? (geen rookworsten)

    AEX Bedrijven
    Weging
    Unilever 16,68%
    Shell 13,94%
    ASML Holding 15,34%
    Prosus 7,16%
    RELX 7,06%
    Adyen 5,16%
    ING Group 4,92%
    Ahold Delhaize 3,88%
    Wolters Kluwer 3,73%
    Heineken 2,94%
    Weet vdx2 niet dat je indexpunten niet kan vergelijken met market cap in usd? Wat zei van Gaal ook alweer?
  6. forum rang 7 JdeFL 7 januari 2023 21:01
    Bestaat er wel een coin index? Waarom hier de hele tijd naar inflatie van €, bedrog in vastgoed, en nu weer één coin vergelijken met een index van vele aandelen....
    Telkens een manke vergelijking, die er zelfs helemaal niet toe doet. Zoek het verband maar eens.
  7. [verwijderd] 7 januari 2023 21:17
    quote:

    Littletycoon schreef op 7 januari 2023 20:59:

    [...]
    Weet vdx2 niet dat je indexpunten niet kan vergelijken met market cap in usd? Wat zei van Gaal ook alweer?
    [/quote]

    [quote alias=VDX2 id=14590663 date=202301071636]
    veel mensen hier begrijpen niet dat de hele wereld in crypto belegt
    en dat je dan giga grote uitschieters krijgt in de koersen
    crypto kan je niet vergelijken met de AEX waar niemand van gehoord heb
    je kan beter vragen van wat zei vdx2 ook al weer
  8. [verwijderd] 7 januari 2023 21:24
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    JdeFL schreef op 7 januari 2023 21:01:

    Bestaat er wel een coin index? Waarom hier de hele tijd naar inflatie van €, bedrog in vastgoed, en nu weer één coin vergelijken met een index van vele aandelen....
    Telkens een manke vergelijking, die er zelfs helemaal niet toe doet. Zoek het verband maar eens.

    ja tuurlijk bestaat ie nm VDX in de voorspellingsdisk :)
    maar dat is momenteel nog fictief allemaal.
  9. forum rang 6 Littletycoon 7 januari 2023 21:52
    quote:

    VDX2 schreef op 7 januari 2023 21:17:

    [...]

    je kan beter vragen van wat zei vdx2 ook al weer
    Het gaat fout vanaf het moment je beweert dat de hele wereld in crypto belegt. Crypto als asset class is een dwerg vergeleken met andere asset classes.
  10. forum rang 6 Zaphod Beeblebrox 7 januari 2023 23:19
    quote:

    Littletycoon schreef op 7 januari 2023 21:52:

    [...]
    Het gaat fout vanaf het moment je beweert dat de hele wereld in crypto belegt. Crypto als asset class is een dwerg vergeleken met andere asset classes.
    Zonder meer. Dat geeft het groeipotentieel aan.
    Maar, crypto-netwerken zijn geen bedrijven, hebben geen cash flow of een balans waar je aan kunt rekenen.
    Als je dat wilt, moet je in bedrijven investeren en niet in crypto.
  11. forum rang 7 HCohen 8 januari 2023 08:45
    Former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan: Crypto Is Too Dependent on 'Greater Fool Theory' to Be a Desirable Investment
    news.bitcoin.com/former-fed-chair-ala...

    Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan says crypto is “too dependent on the ‘greater fool theory’ to be a desirable investment.” However, he noted that the collapse of crypto exchange FTX was “purely fraud,” rather than the result of a feature inherent to crypto. He does not expect the FTX contagion to spread far beyond the crypto space.

    Alan Greenspan on Crypto, FTX, and US Economy
    Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan shared his views on cryptocurrency, the collapsed crypto exchange FTX, and the U.S. economy in a year-end Q&A published by Advisors Capital Management this week.

    Greenspan served five terms as chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System from 1987 to 2006. He was appointed chairman by four different U.S. presidents. He joined Advisors Capital Management in September 2016 as Economic Advisor to the asset management firm.

    The former Fed chair was asked to comment on the FTX meltdown and whether he expects contagion from it. “I do not expect the fallout from FTX to spread beyond the cryptocurrency/NFT [non-fungible token] space,” Greenspan replied, citing “the information that has come to light so far.” He stressed:

    The collapse of FTX was not a result of lax risk management, inadequate accounting procedures, or some feature inherent to crypto — it was purely fraud.

    “Fortunately, although FTX and firms like it have increased marketing of their products in recent years, the lack of any noticeable widespread market reaction to FTX suggests that they are still fairly concentrated in the hands of a relatively small subset of investors,” Greenspan described.

    “Moreover, the differences we observed in the aftermaths of the popping of the tech bubble and the popping of the housing bubble showed clearly that credit-fueled asset bubbles create far more contagion when they ultimately deflate,” he opined. “There does not appear to be a significant amount of leverage dedicated to the cryptocurrency/NFT space at this time, so I do not expect contagion to spread very far beyond this particular asset class.”

    The former Federal Reserve chief added:

    With respect to the wider crypto universe, I view the asset class as too dependent on the ‘greater fool theory’ to be a desirable investment
  12. forum rang 7 HCohen 8 januari 2023 08:48
    Jim Cramer Expects SEC to 'Do a Roundup' of Uncompliant Crypto Firms — Urges Investors to Get Out of Crypto Now
    news.bitcoin.com/jim-cramer-expects-s...

    The host of Mad Money, Jim Cramer, says he expects the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to do a roundup of crypto firms that are not compliant with regulation. Expecting the SEC “to sweep everything,” Cramer urges investors to “get out” of crypto now.

    Jim Cramer’s Latest Crypto Warnings
    The host of CNBC’s Mad Money show, Jim Cramer, is back with more warnings for crypto investors. Cramer is a former hedge fund manager who co-founded Thestreet.com, a financial news and literacy website.

    Following a joint statement about crypto risks by the Federal Reserve, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), Cramer said on CNBC Wednesday:

    I think these statements are the beginning of what I have been calling for, which is that the SEC is going to do a roundup of all of the ones [crypto firms] who are not compliant.

    Citing John Stark, who served as an attorney for over 18 years in the SEC’s Enforcement Division, Cramer stressed that Stark is “now calling for a sweep.” The Mad Money host emphasized:

    He said the SEC is going to sweep everything, which is why I am telling everybody: get out of these.

    “I see a lot of people feel, like John Stark, that it’s just a giant scam,” Cramer continued. He added that he expects former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried (SBF) to be material to the SEC roundup.

    Cramer clarified:

    I’m not calling for a crypto collapse. I’m calling for a collapse of the people in on the Ponzi scheme.

    Despite the warning signs, Cramer explained that “people are bidding” the prices of cryptocurrencies up. He proceeded to warn investors to get their money out of crypto while they can.

    The Mad Money host used to invest in bitcoin, ether, and non-fungible tokens (NFTs) but he sold all his crypto holdings last year. He has been advising investors to avoid investing in speculative assets, including crypto, while the Federal Reserve continues to tighten the economy. Earlier this month, he advised investors to get out of crypto, emphasizing that it is never too late to exit “an awful position.” He also said he would not touch crypto in a million years.

    Regarding why the price of bitcoin is so resilient at the high $16K level, Cramer said Friday: “Well, I’ll tell you what Stark said. Because it’s phony and a scam.” The Mad Money host concluded that crypto prices are “being propped up by people who want them propped up, and that’s all there is.”
  13. forum rang 8 Leefloon 8 januari 2023 11:44
    quote:

    JdeFL schreef op 7 januari 2023 21:01:

    Bestaat er wel een coin index?
    Alhoewel een index misschien commercieel zou kunnen worden uitgebaat, heeft dat verder geen nut of informatiewaarde. Er is, onder andere, te weinig samenhang. Voeg de BEL 20 toe aan het Crescent-universum, en je krijgt Y2D voor lekkende medewerkers niet 2 dagen maar 1 dag met een daling, compleet met forumvervuiling dat op dinsdag Crescent weliswaar daalde maar de index steeg. Nóg meer "positief" nieuws.
  14. forum rang 10 DeZwarteRidder 8 januari 2023 12:00
    quote:

    HCohen schreef op 8 januari 2023 08:48:

    Jim Cramer Expects SEC to 'Do a Roundup' of Uncompliant Crypto Firms — Urges Investors to Get Out of Crypto Now
    news.bitcoin.com/jim-cramer-expects-s...

    The host of Mad Money, Jim Cramer, says he expects the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to do a roundup of crypto firms that are not compliant with regulation. Expecting the SEC “to sweep everything,” Cramer urges investors to “get out” of crypto now.

    Jim Cramer’s Latest Crypto Warnings
    The host of CNBC’s Mad Money show, Jim Cramer, is back with more warnings for crypto investors. Cramer is a former hedge fund manager who co-founded Thestreet.com, a financial news and literacy website.

    Following a joint statement about crypto risks by the Federal Reserve, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), Cramer said on CNBC Wednesday:

    I think these statements are the beginning of what I have been calling for, which is that the SEC is going to do a roundup of all of the ones [crypto firms] who are not compliant.

    Citing John Stark, who served as an attorney for over 18 years in the SEC’s Enforcement Division, Cramer stressed that Stark is “now calling for a sweep.” The Mad Money host emphasized:

    He said the SEC is going to sweep everything, which is why I am telling everybody: get out of these.

    “I see a lot of people feel, like John Stark, that it’s just a giant scam,” Cramer continued. He added that he expects former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried (SBF) to be material to the SEC roundup.

    Cramer clarified:

    I’m not calling for a crypto collapse. I’m calling for a collapse of the people in on the Ponzi scheme.

    Despite the warning signs, Cramer explained that “people are bidding” the prices of cryptocurrencies up. He proceeded to warn investors to get their money out of crypto while they can.

    The Mad Money host used to invest in bitcoin, ether, and non-fungible tokens (NFTs) but he sold all his crypto holdings last year. He has been advising investors to avoid investing in speculative assets, including crypto, while the Federal Reserve continues to tighten the economy. Earlier this month, he advised investors to get out of crypto, emphasizing that it is never too late to exit “an awful position.” He also said he would not touch crypto in a million years.

    Regarding why the price of bitcoin is so resilient at the high $16K level, Cramer said Friday: “Well, I’ll tell you what Stark said. Because it’s phony and a scam.” The Mad Money host concluded that crypto prices are “being propped up by people who want them propped up, and that’s all there is.”
    Cramer is een gladiool van het zuiverste water.
  15. [verwijderd] 8 januari 2023 12:19
    quote:

    Littletycoon schreef op 7 januari 2023 21:52:

    [...]
    Het gaat fout vanaf het moment je beweert dat de hele wereld in crypto belegt. Crypto als asset class is een dwerg vergeleken met andere asset classes.
    heb je dat van v Gaal gehoord?
  16. forum rang 6 Littletycoon 8 januari 2023 12:42
    quote:

    VDX2 schreef op 8 januari 2023 12:19:

    [...]

    heb je dat van v Gaal gehoord?
    Je kunt wel doorgaan met reacties die als een tang op een varken slaan, maar je zet alleen maar jezelf verder voor schut
  17. forum rang 7 JdeFL 8 januari 2023 12:59
    quote:

    HCohen schreef op 8 januari 2023 08:48:

    ... so resilient at the high $16K level, Cramer said Friday: “Well, I’ll tell you what Stark said. Because it’s phony and a scam.” The Mad Money host concluded that crypto prices are “being propped up by people who want them propped up, and that’s all there is.
    Denk dat ook. 't Is zelfs de vraag of die koers enige realiteit weerspiegelt. Moet toch mogelijk zijn om hem gewoon ergens neer te poten, controle is er sowieso niet.
    Bij echte grote vraag of aanbod ontploft het dan wel. Pas dan is zoiets niet houdbaar.
  18. [verwijderd] 8 januari 2023 15:35
    quote:

    HCohen schreef op 8 januari 2023 08:45:

    Former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan: Crypto Is Too Dependent on 'Greater Fool Theory' to Be a Desirable Investment
    news.bitcoin.com/former-fed-chair-ala...

    Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan says crypto is “too dependent on the ‘greater fool theory’ to be a desirable investment.” However, he noted that the collapse of crypto exchange FTX was “purely fraud,” rather than the result of a feature inherent to crypto. He does not expect the FTX contagion to spread far beyond the crypto space.

    Alan Greenspan on Crypto, FTX, and US Economy
    Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan shared his views on cryptocurrency, the collapsed crypto exchange FTX, and the U.S. economy in a year-end Q&A published by Advisors Capital Management this week.

    Greenspan served five terms as chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System from 1987 to 2006. He was appointed chairman by four different U.S. presidents. He joined Advisors Capital Management in September 2016 as Economic Advisor to the asset management firm.

    The former Fed chair was asked to comment on the FTX meltdown and whether he expects contagion from it. “I do not expect the fallout from FTX to spread beyond the cryptocurrency/NFT [non-fungible token] space,” Greenspan replied, citing “the information that has come to light so far.” He stressed:

    The collapse of FTX was not a result of lax risk management, inadequate accounting procedures, or some feature inherent to crypto — it was purely fraud.

    “Fortunately, although FTX and firms like it have increased marketing of their products in recent years, the lack of any noticeable widespread market reaction to FTX suggests that they are still fairly concentrated in the hands of a relatively small subset of investors,” Greenspan described.

    “Moreover, the differences we observed in the aftermaths of the popping of the tech bubble and the popping of the housing bubble showed clearly that credit-fueled asset bubbles create far more contagion when they ultimately deflate,” he opined. “There does not appear to be a significant amount of leverage dedicated to the cryptocurrency/NFT space at this time, so I do not expect contagion to spread very far beyond this particular asset class.”

    The former Federal Reserve chief added:

    With respect to the wider crypto universe, I view the asset class as too dependent on the ‘greater fool theory’ to be a desirable investment
    Je weet dat Greenspan momenteel 96 jaar oud is?
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