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  2. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 18:33

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    quote:

    crackedtooth schreef:

    pro-eco in ieder geval cheap gekocht met 0,86 cent per aandeel in aandelen gekocht
    Crack, als je de ware toedracht begrijpt van deze filling kan je dat dan even kort toelichten. Alvast met dank.
    Ik denk te begrijpen dat ze dat geld nodig hebben om een plant af te werken. Maar ze produceren toch al ? Hoe lang gaat het dan duren eer deze plant operationeel is ? En hebben ze dan zelf geen geld nodig om hun activiteiten verder te zetten ? Waar halen ze dat ? Er staat toch dat ze zelf geen profijt hebben aan die hele transactie ?
    U ziet het allemaal vragen en weinig antwoorden.
  3. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 19:33

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    quote:

    Jommeke schreef:

    [quote=crackedtooth]
    pro-eco in ieder geval cheap gekocht met 0,86 cent per aandeel in aandelen gekocht
    [/quote]
    Crack, als je de ware toedracht begrijpt van deze filling kan je dat dan even kort toelichten. Alvast met dank.
    Ik denk te begrijpen dat ze dat geld nodig hebben om een plant af te werken. Maar ze produceren toch al ? Hoe lang gaat het dan duren eer deze plant operationeel is ? En hebben ze dan zelf geen geld nodig om hun activiteiten verder te zetten ? Waar halen ze dat ? Er staat toch dat ze zelf geen profijt hebben aan die hele transactie ?
    U ziet het allemaal vragen en weinig antwoorden.
    aandelenuitgifte aan fusion capital
    sec filing is dat fusion recht heeft op wederverkoop

    en ja OTD heeft nog geld nodig

    lees p12/13 van filing van vandaag

    We may not obtain equity funding necessary to construct the ethanol plant.

    We estimate that we will need between $30 to $40 million in equity funding for each of the two trains being built. There can be no assurance that we will raise a sufficient amount to construct the ethanol plant consisting of these two trains. If we fail to raise the required amounts, it is unlikely that we will locate other sources of capital that will allow us to construct this plant.

    We expect to be highly dependent upon ProEco's EPC contractor to design and build the ethanol plant.

    ProEco has entered into a letter of intent with an experienced EPC contractor for feasibility, design, planning and preliminary engineering services for the construction of the ethanol plant. Unless extended, the letter of intent will terminate on July 1, 2007 unless we have executed an EPC Contract for the project. There is no guarantee that we will be able to enter into an EPC Contract with the contractor.

    If ProEco meets the conditions of the letter of intent, it expects to enter into a EPC Contract with the contractor to design and build the ethanol plant. We expect that the contractor will use a more versatile process design technology in the ethanol plant construction by prefabricating parts of the plant. We expect to be highly dependent upon the contractor for its expertise within the construction industry, and any loss of the relationship with the contractor could place us at a competitive disadvantage. We will depend on the contractor for timely completion of the plant; however, its involvement with other projects could delay the commencement and start-up operations of our project. If they terminate the relationship with ProEco, ProEco might not be able to secure a suitable replacement and our business would be materially harmed. If the plant is built and does not operate as we expect, our right to rely on the contractor to remedy any deficiencies or defects will be limited by our contract with them. If the ethanol plant does not operate as we expect, our business may be materially harmed without an adequate remedy against our design-build contractor.

    In addition, we have asked the contractor how many other commitments it has, however the contractor did not disclose the number of its other commitments, and as a private company, it is not required to do so. Therefore, we do not know how many other commitments it has. It is possible that the contractor has outstanding commitments to other facilities that could cause the construction of our plant to be delayed. It is also possible that the contractor will continue to contract with new facilities for plant construction and with operating facilities for expansion construction. These current and future building commitments may reduce the resources of the contractor to such an extent that construction of our plant is significantly delayed. If this occurs, our ability to generate revenue will also be delayed and the value of your investment in our common stock will be reduced.

    Finally, we expect to be highly dependent upon the contractor's experience and ability to train personnel in operating the ethanol plant. If the ethanol plant is built and does not operate to the level anticipated by us in our business plan, we will rely on the contractor to adequately address any deficiency. There is no assurance that the contractor will be able to address a deficiency in an acceptable manner. Its failure to address deficiencies could cause us to halt or discontinue production of ethanol, which could damage our ability to generate revenues.

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    We may need to increase cost estimates for construction of the ethanol plant, and these increases could result in devaluation of our common stock if ethanol plant construction requires additional capital.

    We have based our capital needs on a design for the ethanol plant consisting of two trains that will cost approximately $180 to $220 million with additional start-up and development costs, but there is no assurance that the final cost of the plant will not be higher. There is no assurance that there will not be design changes or cost overruns associated with the construction of the plant. The rising price of steel could affect the final cost of construction of the ethanol plant. In addition, shortages of steel could affect the final completion date of the project. Advances and changes in technology may require changes to our current plans in order to remain competitive. We may determine that it is necessary to change the design of the plant in order to implement new technology. Any significant increase in the estimated construction cost of the plant could delay our ability to generate revenues and reduce the value of your common stock because our revenue stream may not be able to adequately support the increased cost and expense attributable to increased construction costs.

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    per 1 july dus letter of intent om zaken te doen lijkt me..
  4. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 19:35

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    dus flinke investering nodig

    wanneer is een deel operationeel?

    Construction delays could result in devaluation of our common stock if our production and sale of ethanol and its by-products are similarly delayed.

    We currently expect our first train of the ethanol plant to be operating in the first calendar quarter of 2008; however, construction projects often involve delays in obtaining permits, construction delays due to weather conditions or other events that delay the construction schedule. Changes in interest rates or the credit environment or changes in political administrations at the federal, state or local level that result in policy change towards ethanol or this project could cause construction and operation delays. If it takes longer to construct the plant than we anticipate, it would delay our ability to generate revenue and make it difficult for us to meet our debt service obligations.
  6. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 20:30

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    Crack, zeer bedankt. Grote klasse van U om Uw tijd hieraan te besteden.
    Ik denk dat wij gerust mogen rekenen op een vertraging van de plant opstart. Het verwondert mij wel dat ze zichzelf zo weinig indekken tegen mogelijk niet naar behoren functioneren van de plant. In principe is de bouwer hiervoor toch verantwoordelijk. Misschien is het te wijten aan het nieuwe procedé, waarmee nog weinig ervaring is opgedaan.Toch nog een lange periode naar winstgevendheid, als het ze lukt wel te verstaan. En niet te vergeten grote risico's op het niet kunnen volbrengen van de plannen, zowel financieel als technisch.
    De handel lijkt me wat zenuwachtig vandaag. We zullen moeten afwachten hoe de belegger reageert.
  7. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 21:09

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    quote:

    Jommeke schreef:

    Crack, zeer bedankt. Grote klasse van U om Uw tijd hieraan te besteden.
    Ik denk dat wij gerust mogen rekenen op een vertraging van de plant opstart. Het verwondert mij wel dat ze zichzelf zo weinig indekken tegen mogelijk niet naar behoren functioneren van de plant. In principe is de bouwer hiervoor toch verantwoordelijk. Misschien is het te wijten aan het nieuwe procedé, waarmee nog weinig ervaring is opgedaan.Toch nog een lange periode naar winstgevendheid, als het ze lukt wel te verstaan. En niet te vergeten grote risico's op het niet kunnen volbrengen van de plannen, zowel financieel als technisch.
    De handel lijkt me wat zenuwachtig vandaag. We zullen moeten afwachten hoe de belegger reageert.
    Hier ook nog een keer bevestiging wat ik al zei:
    ze kunnen pas aan fusion capital aandelen leveren na de sec filing

    We do not have the right to commence any sales of our shares to Fusion Capital until the SEC has declared effective the registration statement of which this Prospectus is a part. After the registration statement is declared effective, we generally have the right but not the obligation from time to time to sell our shares to Fusion Capital in amounts between $100,000 and $1 million depending on certain conditions. The SEC declared the registration statement effective on June 8, 2007. We have the right to control the timing and amount of any sales of our shares to Fusion Capital. The purchase price of the shares will be determined based upon the market price of our shares without any fixed discount at the time of each sale. Fusion Capital shall not have the right nor the obligation to purchase any shares of our common stock on any business day that the price of our common stock is below $0.50. The Agreement may be terminated by us at any time at our discretion without any cost to us.

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    ikzelf koop met nog niet vol
    eerst maar eens kijken hoe ze die 180-200mln gaan financieren
  8. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 21:10

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    Purchase of Shares Under the Common Stock Purchase Agreement

    Under the Agreement, on any business day selected by us, we may direct Fusion Capital to purchase up to $100,000 of our common stock. The purchase price per share is equal to the lesser of:

    • the lowest sale price of our common stock on the purchase date; or

    • the average of the three (3) lowest closing sale prices of our common stock during the twelve (12) consecutive business days prior to the date of a purchase by Fusion Capital.

    The purchase price will be equitably adjusted for any reorganization, recapitalization, non-cash dividend, stock split, or other similar transaction occurring during the business days used to compute the purchase price. The Company may direct Fusion Capital to make multiple purchases from time-to-time in our sole discretion; no sooner then every three (3) business days.


    en

    Our Right to Increase the Amount to be Purchased

    In addition to Fusion Capital's periodic purchases of up to $100,000 of our common stock, the Company may also, from time-to-time, elect on any single business day selected by us to require Fusion Capital to purchase our shares in an amount up to $100,000 provided that our share price is not below $0.60 during the three (3) business days prior to and on the purchase date. We may increase this amount to up to $250,000 if our share price is not below $0.90 during the three (3) business days prior to and on the purchase date. This amount may also be increased to up to $500,000 if our share price is not below $1.50 during the three (3) business days prior to and on the purchase date. This amount may also be increased to up to $1.0 million if our share price is not below $2.50 during the three (3) business days prior to and on the purchase date. The Company may direct Fusion Capital to make multiple large purchases from time-to-time in our sole discretion; however, at least two (2) business days must have passed since the most recent large purchase was completed. The price at which our common stock would be purchased in this type of larger purchases will be the lesser of (i) the lowest sale price of our common stock on the purchase date and (ii) the lowest purchase price (as described above) during the previous ten (10) business days prior to the purchase date.

    Minimum Purchase Price

    Under the Agreement, the Company has set a minimum purchase price (“floor price”) of $0.50. However, Fusion Capital shall have neither the right nor the obligation to purchase any shares of our common stock in the event that the purchase price would be less than the floor price. Specifically, Fusion Capital shall have neither the right nor the obligation to purchase shares of our common stock on any business day on which the market price of our common stock is below $0.50.
  9. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 21:20

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    All 12,805,987 shares registered in this offering are expected to be freely tradable. It is anticipated that shares registered in this offering will be sold over a period of up to 25 months from the date of this Prospectus. The sale by Fusion Capital of a significant number of shares registered in this offering at any given time could cause the market price of our common stock to decline and to be highly volatile. Fusion Capital may ultimately purchase all, some or none of the 12,000,000 shares of common stock not yet issued but registered in this offering. After it has acquired such shares, it may sell all, some or none of such shares. Therefore, sales to Fusion Capital by us under the agreement may result in substantial dilution to the interests of other holders of our common stock. However, we have the right to control the timing and amount of any sales of our shares to Fusion Capital and the agreement may be terminated by us at any time at our discretion without any cost to us.
  12. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 21:23

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    OOK interessant, ze noemen hun grote bezitters
    UBS probeert het met filings ertussen te laten glippen .. dus die komen slecht eens per x aantal maandne in een filing voor..

    en zitten er echt nog steeds dik in

    Except as indicated in the footnotes to this table, each stockholder named in the table below has sole voting and investment power for the shares shown as beneficially owned by them. Percentage of ownership is based on 76,431,001 shares of common stock outstanding on April 4, 2007. In computing the number of shares beneficially owned by a person and the percentage of ownership held by that person, shares of common stock subject to options held by that person that are currently exercisable or will become exercisable within 60 days after April 4, 2007 are deemed exercised and outstanding, while these shares are not deemed exercised and outstanding for computing percentage ownership of any other person.

    Directors, Officers and
    5% Stockholders Shares Directly and
    Beneficially Owned Percent

    Abengoa Bioenergy R&D Inc.
    c/o Crochet & Crochet
    Squaidelile, Geneva, Switzerland 9,273,102 12.1 %

    UBS AG
    100 Liverpool Street
    London EC2m2RH 8,000,000 10.5 %

    Standard Bank Plc
    25 Dowgate Hill
    London EC4R 2SB 5,000,000 6.5 %

    Alan R. Rae
    100 Commerce Drive Suite 301
    Newark, Delaware 19713 2,769,022 (a) 3.6 %

    Richard Roger
    100 Commerce Drive Suite 301
    Newark, Delaware 19713 1,331,250 1.7 %

    Karim Jobanputra
    100 Commerce Drive Suite 301
    Newark, Delaware 19713 754,000 1.0 %

    Hendrik Rethwilm
    100 Commerce Drive Suite 301
    Newark, Delaware 19713 750,000 1.0 %

    David L. Koontz
    100 Commerce Drive Suite 301
    Newark, Delaware 19713 290,512 *

    Arthur Meyer
    100 Commerce Drive Suite 301
    Newark, Delaware 19713 268,000 *

    David H. Shipman
    100 Commerce Drive Suite 301
    Newark, Delaware 19713 227,250 *

    E. Holt Williams
    100 Commerce Drive Suite 301
    Newark, Delaware 19713 175,395 *

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    Directors, Officers and
    5% Stockholders Shares Directly and
    Beneficially Owned Percent

    Jeffrey Cornish
    100 Commerce Drive Suite 301
    Newark, Delaware 19713 134,000 *


    * Less than 1%.
  13. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 21:24

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    zo een 28mln aandelen in vaste handen dus
    op een te verwateren totaal van zo'n 77mln

    28mln van de huidige 51mln ofozo uitztaande aandelen nu is dus in vaste handen (even niet gechecked of 51 of 55mln is)

  14. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 21:26

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    Mannen bedankt voor deze uiteenzetting , mogen we zeggen dat de prijs waarschijnlijk niet onder de 50cent gaat zakken ,niet omdat ze dan niet mogen kopen maar omdat hun plan dan niet uitgevoerd kan worden(kopen v/d shares)?
    Waar ik wel bang voor ben is dat de prijs voorlopig hier zal blijven hangen tot dat dit allemaal geregeld is of zie ik dat fout?
  15. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 21:33

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    robertix schreef:

    Mannen bedankt voor deze uiteenzetting , mogen we zeggen dat de prijs waarschijnlijk niet onder de 50cent gaat zakken ,niet omdat ze dan niet mogen kopen maar omdat hun plan dan niet uitgevoerd kan worden(kopen v/d shares)?
    Waar ik wel bang voor ben is dat de prijs voorlopig hier zal blijven hangen tot dat dit allemaal geregeld is of zie ik dat fout?
    ik ben bang voor 180mln in financiering
    in 2 a 3 tranches?
    hoe makkelijk kan je lenen voor een ethanol fabriek?
  17. [verwijderd] 8 juni 2007 21:57

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    Jommeke schreef:

    Bedankt. Ik zal het nog een aantal keren moeten lezen. Wat gebeurt er als een shorter hem onder de 0.5 drukt ? Dan geen financiering ?
    inderdaad geen verwatering via fusion capital dan
  20. [verwijderd] 11 juni 2007 13:20

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    Ik zag op mijn Email een nieuw bericht van OTD maar kon het op de een of andere manier niet openen,
    Ik hoop dat jullie dat wél kunnen want ik ben benieuwd.
    gr. lennard
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